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LAMMAS PARK “DRAINAGE” PROJECT IS NOW A WETLAND!!

https://www.ealingtoday.co.uk/default.asp?section=info&page=ealammassuds011.htmWatch Cllr Paul Driscoll’s video trying to sell the shambles of a drainage project that had devastated Lammas Park as a “Wetland” It is beyond belief that something that was supposed to reduce flooding now causes all the paths to become flooded and the “playing field” is now a waterlogged bog full of rubble and stones.Use your votes wisely!

Sharon Bewley ● 225d54 Comments

If you have been directly affected by the damage done to Lammas ParkAnd wished to be part of a Save Lammas Park WhatsApp Group, please use the message function on this forum to contact me.Please be aware that any new members of the group will be closely vetted prior to joining.  Genuine local residents and Save Lammas ParkSupporters only please. Fans of this disastrous project will not be joined.

Sharon Bewley ● 225d

For anyone thinking of going to the Ealing Labour Facebook page and commenting on Driscoll’s video, please be aware that a number of comments posted with the the truth about this project have already been deleted and the commnters blocked.  So much for this Labour Councils claimed “transparencyResidents are supposed to blindly believe their spin and lies.

Sharon Bewley ● 225d

I'll say it again......... surely this is a change of use and as such has to be applied for?!?!Who in their right mind would be in favour of losing a public piece of flat land used as a community immunity for decades and decades?As you say USE YOUR VOTE WISELY IN MAY

Colin Goodman ● 225d

We have a lovely Council.  🤣

Rosco White ● 225d

Agree 💯percent.It’s a shame Ealing Council don’t apply the law to themselves

Sharon Bewley ● 225d

One thing the new SuDs will not be is a 'wetland'. Anyone familiar with the planning process for this farrago will know that it was never the intention to create such a habitat. These ditches were to catch occasional floodwater.What Dismal, who somehow fails to convince anyone with a shred of common sense whenever he opens his mouth, does not understand is what a wetland is. A muddy puddle in a park is not one, despite the huge amount of rain we've had in recent months.Once the weather warms up and we get a prolonged dry spell those wetland plants and animals he loves will die, as has happened in other wetland habitats in the UK, including ones that were specifically designed to be such habitats.Perhaps of more concern for Dismal Driscoll should be the presence of Parrots Feather plants (Myriophyllum aquaticum) in the swales to the north of the park. This is a highly invasive non-native species and if it spreads it can cause, among other things, flooding!This plant was identified in the belated habitat management and monitoring report belatedly commissioned by the council last year, some years after the original planning application was put in and approved.One thing is certain, given Ealing Council's record of managing anything there will be minimal management of this new wetland. It will be a weed infested bog in winter and a desolate dustbowl in summer.Well done Cllr Paul Driscoll. It's all on you.

Simon Hayes ● 225d

Dismal will simply obfuscate as well as denying any involvement.Time to get rid in May.VOTE WISELY

N V Brooks ● 225d

AND educate your Local Liebore Lemming, for it is they, in clueless droves, who keep returning these Gross Incompetents.Mind you, if they're on a cushty Benefits Package and/or have a Vested Interest, it will be impossible to sway them. 😉

Rosco White ● 224d

I haven’t been to see this yet, easier to use Pear Tree park.That has a so called wetlands on one side & a properly kept park on the other.This is used for football & cricket.I can’t comment on Lammas but imagine it’s a cost cutting exercise, to save on hedge cutting, grass cutting etc.Nearly all parks now are less & less maintained

Peter Yale ● 224d

Unfortunately the opposite is true, Peter. Under the terms of the planning consent Lammas Park will require more intensive management to ensure the ‘wetland habitats’ are being properly maintained. Any required works will be more involved than simple grass cutting and hedge trimming and thus cost more.There’s a requirement for annual inspections for the first five years to ensure compliance, although who will do these inspections is a mystery. Perhaps LBE will mark its own homework, as is its wont.There’s been no indication how health and safety requirements will be implemented. Removal of the current temporary fences will see access to the deep and steep sided excavations for any park user, including young children and dogs. The RoSPA recommendations were paltry (removing the gate on the kids playground adjacent to the ‘ponds’) and don’t seem to have taken into account the risks associated with potentially deep water in a public park. And it’s not likexWalpole, where the water isn’t in a very deep hole.Still, when an accident happens it won’t be Dismal Driscoll’s fault.Time for change on May 7.

Simon Hayes ● 224d

From 2015.https://www.ealingtoday.co.uk/default.asp?section=info&page=ealammasswamp001.htm

Paul James ● 224d

Thanks Paul James for reminding us of of how the first Lammas swampStarted Starred at the North end of the park in 2015.  Despite the landscaping nothing has improved there - it is still a watery big with a non native invasive species of grass now taking it over, rendering that area of the park also as unusable.  At one point it was also full of sewage due to the connection to rainwater drains and then had to be pumped out 3 days by Thames water.  This is not an attractive or useful addition to the park and serves no purpose since the pipe has been disconnected for over a year. 

Sharon Bewley ● 224d

Todays new story on homepage is "Higher Temperature Strategy" which will be another bit of greenwashing BSThis line jumped out:-"Researchers identified a number of factors that make one area more socially vulnerable to higher temperatures. For example, areas with fewer green spaces, areas with more high-rise buildings"How will they spin that? Actively rmeoving accessible green spaces and waving through more high rise developments.Riddle me that Cllr Dismal

Colin Goodman ● 224d

Don’t forget that this is a council that’s gone very quiet over Heathrow expansion, which will at a stroke negate all the pissy efforts made to cut carbon emissions in the borough.Why is the council quiet on this when other London Labour types have voiced opposition? The answer lies with council leader Peter Mason. This is from the Commonplace website, the company he worked for in 2020:‘ Commonplace, the digital planning and infrastructure engagement specialists have hired Peter Mason, who goes back in-house to strengthen the company’s business development, communications and public affairs.With a background in campaigns and public policy, Peter’s recent projects include helping secure the development consent order for Heathrow expansion, as well as crisis management of nationally reported events.’

Simon Hayes ● 224d

Front page new story "Lammas Park Drainage Scheme Hailed as 'New Wetlands'"I'm not that hot on literature and anguage but even I can see this story has been written by an A.I scan of forum posts.

Colin Goodman ● 224d

About a dozen semi-mature saplings being planted today.The irony of some perfectly healthy trees being felled for this disaster being replaced by these is not lost.....I'm good with trees. They might soak up some of the new surface water that was never there before.

Colin Goodman ● 212d

Trees are good but it would be useful to know the species, as that affects the growth rate to full maturity. Environmental factors also affect that and another scorching summer will make survival very difficult unless the council has an ongoing care plan in place. When they did a big tree planting session in Blondin Park a few years ago about two thirds died from neglect.

Simon Hayes ● 212d

Same in pear tree park.Loads of trees planted 6 months ago, not a thing done.Mostly died

Peter Yale ● 212d

These comments threw up a huge topic:All Local Authorities must have Development Plans but there's no requirement for maintenance plans.One might view development as the first phase of maintenance.For much of our personal lives, our homes and our towns' infrastructure need maintenance not development. My house for example took just 7 months to build in 1929 and the house been maintained (and modified) over and over again for 97 years.

Eric Alan Leach ● 208d

Pretty much all of older parts of Ealing have had minimal if any proper infrastructural maintenance for nearing 50 years.Street tree roots,  proper tree pruning,  Paving, kerbstones,  drain gulleys, soakaways are in an appalling state of neglect.  Badly placed sign posts and clutter. Bike shelters now a harbour for vermin and again not swept out or cleaned.  Maintenance is never factored in or if it is not overseen to any degree of satisfactory.Repairs are sub standard with blobs of Tar which being lightweight simply allow tree roots to lift, splitting the surface within weeks. Pure folly.When works are carried out it's to a third rate standard. Several examples from the last 12  months.Replacement of gutter drain covers in a South Ealing Street.  Replacing cast grates that are less than 20 years old, Why?Replacements installed up to 2 inches higher than the gutter fall.All gulleys and kerbs were built to have a slight fall towards the gutter or a soaraway and pavements the same from boundary to the kerb.I note that many have been relaid level.The worst though is the widened pavements at the E2/3 Bus Stop between Julien Road and  Wellington Road.  The extensively relaid pavement is level towards properties leaving a pool of water too deep to walk through. The extended bit falls the wrong  way causing rainwater to run across the pavement and soaking properties in heavy rain.  But the fall to the gutter drain is also compromised so the kerbside pools resulting in isolated passengers who have to stand on the outer edge of the pavement get soaked by even the bus slowly pulling up. Again, the drain grate is higher then the now impeded fall of does not do its job and drain the water. Needless to say, kids on bikes take delight in riding through this soaking passengers who are mainly elderly.  Mount Carmel kids are terrible for this with parents not taking responsibility.  I did this myself once and word got the the then headmistress - Woe betide that experience.  Probably why I am so aware of failings such as this.Culmington Road is also another mess up. One would have thought that the mess up of 20+ years ago would have been corrected but no it is now worse.The black ice of a few weeks ago with anything with wheels or shoes on were in peril.  But it too is now a quagmire and dangerous with fallen and surplus Lime Bikes blocking the whole of the footway and riders collecting or returning riding along the pavement in all directions.How is that safer?How much did all this cost?Who approved without pragmatic understanding?Why are pragmatic details and potential problems not presented to both residents or elected councillors - (most of who think shelves are put up by apps in any case.)And why is it not overseen and faults corrected?As for Lammas Park/ Just walked through, areas with dozens of fissures and pools in a part that I cannot recall seeing in any bad weather period ever over nearing 50 years of walking through it daily since primary school.Scandalous vandalism and even worse that they have cynically used 'climate and wilding' to justify it.  Tarnishes the huge amounts of real work that has been done elsewhere, mainly by volunteers over many decades.

Raymond Havelock ● 206d

If you want to identify the chief culprit in all this, look no further than failed art teacher turned enviro-mentalist, the cabinet member for climate change. He has overseen the spending of a fortune on vanity projects like Lammas (note his claim of only one fifth of the money spent on that was from the council, that’s still almost £200,000).Other ridiculous ideas put into practice: Occupation Lane as some sort of play area for under fives. The only beneficiaries are the drug dealers from the local estate who now have an easier escape route from plod (when he can be bothered to turn up).£200,000 spent on unnecessary pavement widening at the E2 bus stopOn Windjill Road. Only used by e-bike delivery muppets to swerve round any bus stopped there, endangering passengers alighting or boarding and any other pedestrian.School streets being implemented on roads that have no relationship with the schools they are meant to be protecting, and ignoring the wishes of the majority of residents in the areas affected. To sideline democracy further they introduced a borough wide traffic order that can see such streets introduced without consultation.The latest wheeze to allocate more kerb space to cycling infrastructure despite most residents of Ealing not owning a bike, let alone using one.This bunch of Labour grifters are entirely responsible for the degradation of the borough. They have had 16 years of effectively unopposed power, yet nothing is better for most people.Remember how they told us government cuts were the cause of services closing or being reduced? Yet there has been enough cash around to award themselves two huge allowance increases since 2022. And they say council tax needs to go up again to cover shortfalls. Presumably the shortfall required to pay Chief Executive Tony Clement £240,000 a year (plus pension and benefits). He doesn’t even turn up to chair council meetings for that money!Labour will be canvassing you for the next few months. Boasting about their track record yet strangely silent when pushed on things as there’s nothing to boast about. They have had their time.Vote wisely on May 7.

Simon Hayes ● 206d

Simon, you hate Ealing. More than 20 years you have incessantly mocked or criticised whatever political party is in control. You detest Labour. Why don't you do yourself a favour and move to Bexley, Bromley, Harrow, Kensington & Chelsea or Hillingdon? A toffy Conservative Council will welcome you, you will stop moaning and everyone will be happy. Or if you want to get out of London you could move to Essex, Norfolk or Suffolk.

Ben Owen ● 205d

There you go again Ben, or lame brain as your acquaintances doubtless call you. Making assumptions without any evidence.Are you that much of a moron that you can’t understand that there are very many reasons why questioning authority is the right thing to do? Probably, because you appear to lack any capacity for thinking. Have you not noticed that there are a lot of people unhappy with what Ealing council is doing? You, of course, could piss off at any time to Beijing or Moscow, were your kowtowing would be more appropriate.I don’t hate Ealing. I just dislike arsewipes who think they know how to save the planet by dictating lifestyles to tens of thousands of people. Now take your meds and get to bed.

Simon Hayes ● 205d

Simon - are you a door knob in disguise? Can you quantify what 'lots of people' really means in number terms? Do you know who all these people are personally, or are you guessing at a number to form your opinion?I do not believe there is a single local authority or parish in this country that you would be happy to live in. You challenge policy for the sake if it, just to make a headline for yourself, which switches people off. There is Simon again, we all say, ranting and raving in his own childish way, ignore him, he is like this all the time, LOTS of councillors and readers say! Councillors laugh at your puerile comments, like I am sure (as opposed to being certain) most of us do. You need to change tact because what you are doing is not working. You can start by understanding the difference between what is an opinion and what is a fact. I will help you by sharing that there is a crucial difference. Next, go to a finishing school where you can learn some basic English manners. Finally, a top tip so please keep it to yourself. Did you know that it is easier to change from within than it is by being on the outside? Why not move to a new chapter and stand as a Councillor this May? The reward for you is that you get the chance to shout your mouth off in the chamber - and you can see your objections overturned first hand. Surely too tempting to resist, no?

Ben Owen ● 205d

Thanks for the advice Ben. If it came from anyone worthwhile it might be worth taking but as it’s from you, it’s not.You clearly don’t read anything on here other than you own comments and those of you tiny echo chamber. The OP on this thread isn’t by me, is it? But it spells out what a lot of people are thinking on here and elsewhere.As for facts, you being very ignorant is clearly one. When presented with statistics and other evidence you choose to ignore or dismiss it. Perhaps it’s you who needs to be educated, old chap.

Simon Hayes ● 205d

S'funny......... I know they say "birds of feather" and all that but - I've only met ONE person who was vaguely in favour of this conversion of Lammas into a swamp. She was what you'd call an environmentalist.Her views changed with the unhealthy water and the realisation of how this is actually a sop to Developers via a Thames Water and Liebour to allow huge tower blocks and cheap developments to keep destroying the eco-system. With the whisper that the fence will actually be up for another YEAR she's also realising her kids won't be gamboling through the lush undergrowth like a scene from Little House on the Prairie anytime soon.Now I accept those in favour of everything their favourite party of choice may do will have a polar opposite view. They will likewise have "birds of a feather" around them.... but forget all that and actually go down to Lammas and see for yourself this disaster. There is zero justification and, as documented by many, the surface water in the park is worse and now exists where it never did previously, usable areas of the park vastly reduced and the locals have lost an amenity.Facts for all to see.

Colin Goodman ● 204d

There are plans afoot to make a wetland at Pear Tree Park ( formerly Perivale Pk).Cleveland has had loads of saplings planted,It seems the council are just making less & less open space, I suspect to cut down on maintenance- mowing the grass.There was no mow May, which then went on for months instead

Peter Yale ● 175d

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Sam Seal ● 175d

That really is no way to refer to Councillor Driscoll.

N V Brooks ● 175d

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Sam Seal ● 175d

Indeed you do, particularly when pissed

Peter Yale ● 175d

More money being “spent” today…… additional fencing going in.This row looks like it’ll be permanent Confirmation of YOUR park being lost

Colin Goodman ● 170d

And news just in (probably won't make any difference though)...Ealing Council has been criticised and found to be “at fault” by the Local Government and Social Care Ombudsman over its handling of a planning process linked to works at Lammas Park.In a decision notice, the ombudsman identified a series of administrative failings in how the Labour-run council handled objections and communicated with a resident, saying it failed to properly record representations or ensure those concerns were passed to planning officers or decision-makers.The report states this failure “led to uncertainty” about whether the objections might have influenced the outcome of the application. The ombudsman also found fault in how the council handled representations and aspects of the process, concluding that key information was not consistently managed or clearly documented.Further criticism was made of the council’s communication, with the watchdog highlighting “the way the Council dealt with communications”. Responses to the complainant were found to lack clarity and did not fully address the issues raised, contributing to what the report describes as “avoidable frustration”.The ombudsman also identified fault in Ealing Council’s complaint handling, including delays and weaknesses in how it responded once the concerns had been formally raised.However, the report did not uphold all aspects of the complaint. The ombudsman found no fault in the council’s decision to determine the planning application itself, concluding there was insufficient evidence to show the outcome would have been different. It also did not find fault in certain procedural steps, including the council’s ability to consider amendments within the application process, indicating these fell within accepted planning practice.https://www.ealing.news/news/ombudsman-finds-ealing-council-at-fault-over-lammas-park/?fbclid=IwY2xjawQwt2BleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZBAyMjIwMzkxNzg4MjAwODkyAAEeG76eCj7yY9MS3mx65KJ5_ngat9PedH0Oqc7CQAq0erc8HqQH0iY3H7TBh8E_aem_3cITY_dqQd8Cin0dLW6kAQ

Vlod Barchuk ● 170d

I have not discovered how this scheme is supposed to work. The Council have not told me and the Ombudsman it appears has skated round it. Is it to store water during heavy rain and release it during dry periods? How can this be possible when after very heavy rain the water level refuses to rise? I know that you can't fill a bath without putting a plug in the waste. The outlet of these ponds like my bath is at the bottom with apparently no sluices, dams or other damming/release /storage gear. Looks like dismal design and an Ombudsman who has missed the central point. I must be wrong again. Can anyone help?

Arthur Breens ● 169d

Apparently Paul Driscoll is going to run down there every time it rains and stick his little artists fingers in the hole to keep the water in.There’s also been no information about the budget allocated to maintain this wetland. Unlike the previous parkland there, that only required occasional mowing this is a fairly complex set of drains, pipes and ponds. Is maintenance to be funded by Ealing taxpayers or is it a Thames Water responsibility?One suspects there’s plan in place.

Simon Hayes ● 169d

>How can this be possible when after very heavy rain the water level refuses to rise? It's not connected to the gullys yet I think as they found houses with their sewage connected to gullys and not sewers.So no rainwater coming from the gullys yet, the ponds have no input.I read the idea is the first rain goes straight down to the river, but then continuous rain starts buffering up in the park if it gets backed up?

Paul James ● 169d

My understanding is that homes in Walpole are serviced by a "combined system" of drainage. Rain falling on house roofs and there are many, join foul and waste water to enter sewers at interceptors at the boundary of properties. That's what happens in my road. Other parts of the country use a  "separate system" in which rain water is kept separate and goes to rivers but foul and waste water go to the sewage works. If you are talking about road gullies then I think they too are connected to this "combined system". My observation is that many road gullies {designed to accept 7 day's worth of horse dung) have not been cleaned and are full of debris. Is this the reason the flood ponds don't fill? I'm not writing to make anyone look stupid. I am just seeking from the designers, if any, how this scheme is supposed to work. The previous writer states that he has read ......please reference what you read. The Ombudsman clearly focussed on the process. If this scheme was properly designed and important then the process might take second place to an assessment of the benefits of the scheme if any.

Arthur Breens ● 168d

You asked why the ponds aren't filling.Pretty sure its because the pipes that lead to them are switched off due to misconnected homes.I don't think it's more complicated than that.

Paul James ● 168d

Paul,Thanks for this. Who gave you this information? Maybe someone might be able to explain why there was so little information, nay secrecy, about this major scheme in the public domain. So very little information!! It feels like an abuse of the public by Thames Water and London Borough of Ealing. It seems that the Ombudsman has in part picked up on this but not the design secrecy that is the core of the problem.If there are  misconnected homes then this surely has to be the responsibility of the authorities (see above) and their approval systems. Homeowners don't sneak out at night, dig up the road and make an illegal connection. If they worked without permission or Regs approval on a connection within their property then no matter because of the "combined" system in this area.(see my previous post).The question remains, "When, if at all, are the misconnected homes going to be connected properly and the scheme  commissioned?" Otherwise an enormous amount of money has been spent with no result. We as residents should be told. We have and those who follow will pay for this. We have a right to know. Renaming the scheme solves nothing. Residents just aren't that stupid.This design fault and not the periferals should have been the focus of the Ombudsman's findings.Far from being served and represented by these authorities I feel we have been treated like a mere punters. Clearly Nanny knows best.

Arthur Breens ● 168d

Unfortunately for the good people of Ealing Borough, it's what this Liebore Administration do best - Lies and Bullshit.            TRASH EALING - VOTE LIEBORE!

Rosco White ● 168d

Wow a lot of words>Thanks for this. Who gave you this information? It was quite big at the time,. I think they found sewage/pollution at one of the inlet pipes and it was traced back to one or more properties in the area so they turned off the flow.>Maybe someone might be able to explain why there was so little information, nay secrecy, about this major scheme in the public domain. So very little information!! It feels like an abuse of the public by Thames Water and London Borough of Ealing. It seems that the Ombudsman has in part picked up on this Well quite. Not a reason to cancel or reverse an important scheme though.>Homeowners don't sneak out at night, dig up the road and make an illegal connection. It happens, not quite like that of course, but it happens that stuff that should go into the sewer system ups up in the surface water system, there are several other well documented cases.>The question remains, "When, if at all, are the misconnected homes going to be connected properly and the scheme  commissioned?"  Otherwise an enormous amount of money has been spent with no result. Results take time, I guess this place would have been up and running if home weren't "misconnected" (a common problem it seems).Why don't you ask your local councillor, politely mind you, not by shouting at them in parks?

Paul James ● 168d

Just this minute read on My London, Ealing council has been found guilty by the ombudsman, over this fiasco.These are the buffoons, supposedly “in charge” spaffing our hard on, on seemingly ridiculous schemes.My worry is they have eyes on other parks, judging by the publics reaction to the proposers last week, the scheme is not popular & likely to go ahead whatever

Peter Yale ● 168d

Paul (1) My councillors Rai and Shaw before the last election wrote,"Vote for me to represent you." On this issue they have been silent; no representation, no sugeries and no Ward Forums.... just an unsigned sheet from LBE talking about "repairing the damage done to the grass".(2) So how does it happen that fluids in a combined sewage system go anywhere but through that system. Please tell us the well documented cases in the Lammas Park area. You say it is a common problem. If so common why is this the first we have heard of it. As I stated how is this misconnection possible apart by the actions of the authorities.(3) If misconnection is such a common problem in this area why was this not taken into account before any works began?(4) After a member of the public discovered E.coli in Lammas Park Thames Water investigated at the junction of Elers and Waldemar Ave. To my knowledge no one was arrested for illegal connections. Those investigations took place in the road so one assumes the misconnections were the actions of the authorities.(5) Has what you call an important scheme been cancelled for it has now become a Wetland and not a flood eleviation scheme?

Arthur Breens ● 168d

Arthur, you won’t get any sense from Paul. He lives in an alternative reality where everything he believes is true and genuine facts don’t exist. It’s a very small world, which he shares with Ben, Dominik and several Labour councillors. It’s probably quite lonely, which is why he spends all his time posting on here, the Chiswick site and X.If you want to find out what’s really going on with Lammas you might need to make an FOI request of the council.

Simon Hayes ● 168d

>Paul (1) My councillors Rai and Shaw before the last election wrote,"Vote for me to represent you." On this issue they have been silent; no representation, no sugeries and no Ward Forums.... just an unsigned sheet from LBE talking about "repairing the damage done to the grass".You can email them as well you know.>(2) So how does it happen that fluids in a combined sewage system go anywhere but through that system. Please tell us the well documented cases in the Lammas Park area. You say it is a common problem. If so common why is this the first we have heard of it. As I stated how is this misconnection possible apart by the actions of the authorities.They are clearly not intending on putting raw sewage into the ponds, I guess they are fed from stormwater drains by a system that doesn't go near sewage. I saw the reason for the pollution in the pond was a misconnected property.There was a story recently about properties with their sewage outlet connected straight to the river for instance.I guess misconnections to sewage to storm drains can be a genuinie mistake or done on purpose to save money/time etc...(3) If misconnection is such a common problem in this area why was this not taken into account before any works began?Maybe it was? I don't know, image it's quite complex and might not rear it's head until you get a certain weather situation.(4) After a member of the public discovered E.coli in Lammas Park Thames Water investigated at the junction of Elers and Waldemar Ave. To my knowledge no one was arrested for illegal connections. Those investigations took place in the road so one assumes the misconnections were the actions of the authorities.Maybe, yeah, I guess it didn't have to be a misconnected home, although that's what I heard, and technially if there was sewage in the storm drain it would have been, even if the owners of the property or properties weren't aware.(5) Has what you call an important scheme been cancelled for it has now become a Wetland and not a flood eleviation scheme?The council was describing the top of lammas park as a "wetland" 15 years ago, because, it's a wet bit of land. Put lots of water in a place, e.g. SUDS, and you get wetland style nature.

Paul James ● 168d

And right on cue Paul posts something full of conjecture. Maybe, I guess, in Paul World that passes for fact.Cllr Shaw is on record as saying the park scheme is a disaster. It’s why he’s hightailed it out of the ward for the forthcoming election.As for a wetland, the SuDs won’t be that unless there’s significant rainfall all year to fill them up. Here’s some information for you:https://www.sruc.ac.uk/media/vmmbl3es/tn519-wetlands-wildlife.pdf

Simon Hayes ● 167d

Thank you for this Simon,LBE should hold its hands up and admit that it failed to excercise "due diligence" in agreeing to allow SUDS/Thames Water to rip up Lammas Park. That might have included showing some respect for the community and users by engaging them in meetings and discussions at the "formative stage" (another legal term). Handled correctly local knowledge and expertise might have raised concerns about the viability of the scheme. Power to the Peeople!!

Arthur Breens ● 167d

>Power to the Peeople!!How many people have you talked to about this Arthur? they might not all agree with you that this scheme isn't necessary.

Paul James ● 167d

Still living in Hanwell Paul? Not local to Lammas then.The people who supported this scheme are invariably those who live quite some distance away, some well outside London. It was Ealing Wildlife Group that rabble roused support at the last minute. Dismal Driscoll stood up and claimed there was overwhelming support for the SuDs because of this. As usual he was lying.What Paul doesn’t understand, and never will, is that consultation is supposed to happen before decisions are made. It’s there in black and white in all local government documents. So why does Ealing persist in flouting this principle?Answers on a postcard to Paul James.

Simon Hayes ● 167d

Looking back, the majority, from reports, of the misconnections were in the north of the borough and this is where Thames Water and the Environment Agency were focussing their efforts and were working on prosecutions to remedy. As he is such an expert perhaps Mr. James and our 'favourite' councillor Driscoll could detail the number of misconnections and projected volumes that have necessitated SuDs seheme in the first place.

N V Brooks ● 167d

Dear Paul James,My name is Zoe Dobson & this is my postcard to you.I submitted a petition against the unnecessary & foolhardy, dangerous “suds” scheme .The petition contained 1000 signatures opposing Ealing Council.The ombudsman upheld our worries & complaint.Is this good enough for you,Regards ZD

Peter Yale ● 164d

Shocked to hear today that the original fencing around the wider edges is coming down.Appears I was wrong on that. Fair enough.However the new fences done last week, and previous ones that are both around the very edges of the swamp holes remain. Maybe I was "half right"?????

Colin Goodman ● 164d

Hi Zoe (?)"unnecessary & foolhardy, dangerous “suds” scheme ."Please qualify "unnecessary"."The ombudsman upheld our worries & complaint."It's clear the council/Thames Water and the controlling party Ealing Labour didn't engage with people on this properly for sure. The same has happened with other projects, I hope they can all do better in the future.Also, you're using this Peter Yale account as a mouthpiece? The account that this came from."Also strange, when muslims supposedly flee a controlled disliked Islamic country,they want to turn the place of origin, into the same as the one they left. Usually a tip, like parts of West Ealing now. As for teenagers, youngsters,they haven’t lived. No clue how to have a conversation or debate, just stab anyone or everyone"

Paul James ● 164d

No end to your knobbery.Of course it was written tongue in cheek at your ridiculous comments, bandied about as usual. You overlooked the 1000 signatures against the scheme, when according to you ( pc James) this isn’t what happened- 1 of your favourite sayings.Don’t quite know why you’re bring the facts about the UK being turned into a cesspit, into this topic, but at least you recognise that’s what happens.Keep taking the meds

Peter Yale ● 164d