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I first thought of leaving London several years ago.My restaurant in W14 was successfulWe had good staff all trained by us to cook or to wait on tables....but the second and third chef had been with us on and off for almost 10 years and we knew that they would soon move on.Training chefs is not an easy task!So we sold...at the right time and the goverement did very well. It was still not right for me to leave uk I needed to be there for my parents.As I have mentioned the NHS failed badly.There was once the hope.... that if you needed medical care in UK at least you could trust in the care of the NHS.What did I love about Uk?A few years back I loved shopping in the independantly owned shops....no matter how good they are they are doomed to dissapear one by one unable to sustain the high costs of rent and rates.Restaurants...really enjoyed good food...I am not so easy to please as I spent a long period of my life as a chef and like fresh food.So even though I lived in London I only really enjoyed about 4/5 restaurants....plus the experiences I had at a friends resturant in Bray.I lived on a main road in West London which never bothered me...good double glazing.....but there were two fatal accidents just outside my window in a short space of time.The road just got busier and the general area got extreemly busy.The bank was allways too busy and the girls working there complained that they were understaffed.Vagrants set up home on the grass verge near the station and when they moved on their rubbish reamained.Piles of beer cans, old clothes and duvets sat for months...ignored by the local authorities.I was never to happy to walk around in London after dark.No need to make vivid detail here.Parts of London are sad and ugly...Tower Hamlets....has its trendy bits.The London HospitaL at Whitechaple!!!!!!!!!!To enjoy London you must be wealthy enough to cocoon yourself in a world of finery and to close your eyes to so much which lives around you.It is an exspensive place to live and you have to be participate in that life style.Many of my friends have...or are moving away.When they come here we spend quality time together...not a few rushed hours!

Barbara Deane ● 6863d

What I find strange is that people who don't make a success of their lives here feel the need to rubbish everying about the UK when they emigrate; they forget they are still the same person in that other country.  A relative is coming back to the UK having lived in France, Bordeaux region for the past ten years.  Her reasons are that her gite business is unsustainable as the market there is swamped with English families all trying to make a living out of the British tourist market.  So many English people go to France, critizise the "club attending, gadget loving" people they leave behind, but then want those same people to come and stay in their gite/manor house etc. I much prefer to stay in a French run hotel when I visit France.  I certainly don't want to spend my time with expats who drone on about how wonderful their new life is and how horrible the UK is - usually through a haze of cheap red wine bought by the 10 litre plastic container.  I have a French girlfriend who is coming to set up a business here in January as she says until Sarkozy gets France back on its feet  - maybe in about 5 years, people have no money to spend and business in France is a disaster.  And the strikes! She has seen her profits plummet in the last few years.  Life is what you make it, and Barbara, I wish you the best of luck with your new venture, sometimes a fresh start is a great life enhancer.  However, don't blame the UK and London and immigration for your unhappiness - immigration has been happening since the Romans, Vikings etc. and people want to emigrate to the UK because of it's tolerant  and welcoming approach to anyone who wants to work hard and make a better life for themselves.

S. D. Brock ● 6863d

Re :-      " However, don't blame the UK and London and immigration for your unhappiness - immigration has been happening since the Romans, Vikings etc. and people want to emigrate to the UK because of it's tolerant  and welcoming approach to anyone who wants to work hard and make a better life for themselves. "              xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx      I don't think Barbara was doing as you say, but also the comment re immigration has been going on since time immemorial is well flawed. For one thing, those invaders were of basically the same stock, culture and customs as our forefathers, apart from which what was the re-action of the then indigs, AND who were not expected to keep the invaders. The re-action was certainly not one of welcome or open arms!. And the country was not as developed and populated as it is now. As to the working hard reason you give, some may well do, but much of their " earnings " go out of this country, thus of no benefit to us but just themselves and theirs, plus the fact for example, those from one sub-saharan country now here , 60% are in social housing and over 40% on welfare, so I don't think their reason coming here is to work hard. When the economy dips, which it is expected to do, the fun will start. Who is going to get what of  the reduced welfare cake and who is going to have to pay for it. In a Borough very close to our's, the Treasurer there said to a busness colleague that the real reason for the rise in Council Taxes is the cost of immigration, who are being force funded by persons who had no say in their invitation.

Tony Price ● 6863d

Tony Price said “ For one thing, those invaders were of basically the same stock, culture and customs as our forefathers”  - what utter nonsense.  The culture of the Romans, the Vikings and the other early immigrants and the indigenous population were entirely different.  Just as the culture of the Chinese, Poles, Indians, Romanians are entirely different from the indigenous UK one – but the blend of all these cultures enriches and broadens the UK immeasurably.  Regarding your comment about the new immigrants “earnings” going out of the country – it was always a custom of newly arrived immigrants to send some money home to less well off families; and why not, they are entitled to do whatever they want with their hard earned money.  I suspect not that much is going back to other countries at present, as the cost of living in the UK, and especially London is sky high; and many have young children who need a constant supply of cash to keep them in shoes, school uniforms etc.  It may also be true that a proportion of immigrants, whether sub-Saharan or other are currently in social housing, but their aspirations are the same as the rest of us – they want to do well, and they especially want their children to do well.  There will always be a minority of layabouts – but all societies have those and this country has a history of supporting the weak. They are still human beings and I feel we have a duty to help them; it may well be that their children go on to work and help pay for your pension.  In their own country they may be left to starve – is that the kind of solution you would approve of?

S. D. Brock ● 6863d

Re :- " In their own country they may be left to starve – is that the kind of solution you would approve of?"        xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx    That I regard as rather offensive but I see no reason why those in countries  thousands of miles away choose to come here, into a totally alien culture, customs, language, religion , climate etc etc. Their influx has most unpleasant and undue effects on the indigenous cultures customs and religion , witness the fact we are no longer allowed to celebrate Christmas as Christmas in case it upsets the incomers. Tell me where we now have public decorations up celebrating / recognising the birth of Christ. Ealing certainly doesn't. And why not. Even Christmas cards are being made to fade away, persons in public employment ( esp. H. o C.) send General Greetings cards. British Red Cross saw fit to ban any evidence of Christian belief in their shops in case it upsets ethnics. When challenged, they said they operate in all parts of the world so don't want to be seen to be only of this culture. In that case they should re-name themselves and get their money from those they adulate so much more than us. And the amount we and the West in general pour into those countries is measure of the help we give, help them to improve themselves in their own surroundings.        As for the rest of your comments, I assume you are pleased the area that we had grown to love and like has been changed so much that we no longer fit in. For example, have you been to Shepherd's Bush market recently. I have with an absence of 20 years plus and found the place so changed that one could well have not been in England, so if that is what you want, as I said before, you will be estatic 'ere much longer. And if you walk from Shepherd's Bush to Acton along the Uxbridge Rd YOU will think you are in heaven !

Tony Price ● 6863d

My response to this sensible inoffensive post is in capitals /brackets as no other option available . Re:-     Tony, if you were to clear out all the "ethics" - I assume you mean anyone who has no family history from any other country in the world (if any such person exists)  - our gracious queen is part German and her spouse is Greek - so that would leave us without our "British" royal family - is this what you have in mind? ( 'COURSE NOT, BUT THE FACT REMAINS WE HAVE AND CONTINUE TO BE A RECEPTACLE FOR ALL AND SUNDRY FROM AROUND THE WORLD, WHICH MUST BE STOPPED AND THE ESTIMATED I.5 MILLION ILLEGALS SENT BACK. THOSE FROM WITHIN THE EU TO REMAIN BY LAW.)Regarding your comment about Christmas, happy holidays etc. the politically correct (THEY ARE INCORRECT  !! )people who are instigating these rather silly changes are in fact British people working for government offices with little work to do other than think up another silly scheme,( YEP, YOU ARE CORRECT BUT THAT SHOULDN'T STOP THE GOVT FROM COUNTERMANDING THE "INSTRUCTIONS", EG THE ENGLISH FLAG NOT TO BE FLOWN OR BIBLES NOT TO BE IN HOSPITAL BEDSIDE CABINETS) or follow America's equally silly politically correctness. They should really be working for John Cleese. The "incomers" I know are delighted to have another holiday to celebrate.( VERY TRUE, I GET XMAS CARDS FOM PAKISTANIS, EAST AFRICAN INDIANS IRAQIS JEWS CHINESE ETC ETC) And I enjoy celebrating all the many and various holidays - Chinese New Year, Diwali, Hannukah, Thanksgiving etc. etc. any excuse for a party!  It's enriching meeting and mixing with people from everywhere - nothing to be afraid of or to worry about. ( IT IS WHEN WE AND OUR'S ARE AT RISK, WHICH WE ARE. THAT WE HAVE HAD TO DO AWAY WITH CHRISTMAS AND RECALL IT WINTERTHALL OR SOME OTHER STUPID NAME. CAN YOU IMAGINE SAUDI ARABIA DOING AWAY WITH THE HAJ AND CALLING IT SOMETHING ELSE TO AVOID UPSETTING CHRISTIANS. YOU CANNOT EVEN GET A BIBLE INTO THAT COUNTRY OR MOST OTHER ISLAMIC ONES.)

Tony Price ● 6861d

"The smell of cut grass, strawberries and cream, fish and chips, the last night of the Proms, Morcambe and Wise, Pimms, Gilbert and Sullivan, Alan Aykbourn..."Posted under the wrong thread? Britishness surely?back to topic.In my lifetime two things have altered forever this country - unrestricted immigration and the EU. Now the two have come together and are linked. The fact is, we the Great British Public were never cinsulted about either of them. our political masters (who should be our servants) knew what was best for us and foisted both upon us. Both we are told were for our economic good. Migration of people is usually an economic affair. Most immigrants down the years have been economic migrants. But does the receiving country benefif? Is present EU unrestricted immigration an economic blessing or not?Of course people do look at the issue through other spectacles. Some are racist ones, some conservative, seeking to preserve a status quo which may be illusory.. Resentment comes when people feel threatened and when immigrants show no desire to integrate, learn the language ot  insist that their religion is superior. Multicultural indoctrination on the part of our establishment has fostered a lack of pride in our national heritage. See the contents of the late Dome exhibition as the prime example. We have ever welcomed the stranger who took refuge on our shore but rarely with a warm embrace. The embrace is even less warm when the stranger wishes to remain one, and not integrate the way past ones, Hugenot or Jewish have done.Persoanlly I sense my own tension between the English nationalist me who is not so welcoming and the Christian me who is very hospitable.BTW I have relatives of my generation who went to NZ. IMO it is even more PC than here.

Graham Weeks ● 6861d

There is nothing perfect about the world and there never has been but UK has ....especially city ...changed too much.As I have said before great restaurants, chain stores and theatre-life is wonderful whilst the credit cards and assets juggle through the air like a circus act.Some can remain in the arena but for others the struggle may not be too rosy.So much is reliant on the property and stock markets of the world...and so many people look to the goverement for support for houseing and help at fragile moments in their life.Maybe not just moments!For those who live outside the possability of fincancial, despire and have their eyes closed to all which is going on in their enviroment....they will be ok.I miss my friends...however we were all too busy to see each other very often.When we get together now it is for several days and not several hours and we look forward to our time together.I loved my flat with large rooms and high ceilings and tiny garden.....but my house here is handsome and has a massive fire-place in the kitchen and a parc with lovely trees and we are planning to grow more fruits and vegies to add to the existing crops.Restaurants....a few really good ones with affordable prices to match.Traffic...no traffic jams..even in Town.Hospitals and doctors....wine with lunch...I believe...immediate attention and the GP supplies their mobile tel number.Ingredients for cooking...We have one of the best food markets in europe 15 mins away and the local supermarkets are more than adequate.Parking....luch time is free and occassionaly you have to pay as much as a euro for 2 hours.Whereas in London it cost 10 pounds to park as we paid for our residents parking permit...which took 12 mins.It is cold here...just as it is in London but I am the type of person who wants sizzling sun and life on the beach and a griddle piled with sausages and singed steaks.Not kean on high rise buildings and extravaganza shopping centres with Dallas furniture and special offers on 12 packs of sausages which are made of 50% fat and 50% bread or rusk.Not sure what is going on with the leadership in UK....IT DOES NOT LOOK TOO PERKY.So it is not perfect here but.....could be perfec t for me.

Barbara Deane ● 6860d

Re:- " Somewhere there has to be a rising star to capture the aspirations of the average Joe Public. Someone like Winston. He was a lousy politician in peacetime but rose to meet the challenge when all seemed lost in WW2.Where is the man of such stature? "         zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz            One hopes such a person will ride to the rescue before the otherwise inevitable comes about. The trouble is at the present time such persons are found only in the Far Right, so if that is what people are prepared to let happen by continuing to build their own funeral pyres, so be it. Hopefully a quality politician will pluck up courage, say what needs to be done to save the country for the indig populace. I fear London may have gone too far beyond the point of return and that in itself will be a major problem but when there are those of obvious foreign origin here in such numbers that they demand London's MPs are chosen solely from their ranks, it is about time the penny drops with those who still can do something about it. One has only to travel around London to see the extent to which our capital has been taken out of our hands. And when we finally lose control of local authority , then interesting times lie ahead. I have a house elsewhere in the country to where I can move and friends in the Shires no longer want to visit London, 'cos it is not what it was. I suppose this is why there are adverts in various media asking people to visit London.

Tony Price ● 6860d

Re :- "I do not see the adherents of other faiths as a threat to mine. I do see Islam as a threat to our western civilisation."      xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx      Perhaps the following extract will open a few eyes , and minds   "  By Robert SpencerHumanEvents.com | Friday, December 21, 2007 The Canadian Human Rights Commission and the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal have begun proceedings against Mark Steyn, author of America Alone. They are responding to complaints from the Canadian Islamic Congress about an excerpt from the book that was published in the Canadian journal Maclean’s. “The article,” the CIC claims, “subjects Canadian Muslims to hatred and contempt,” and was “flagrantly Islamophobic.”To be sure, the article was pretty strong stuff. Here’s a bit of it: “There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe -- without swords, without guns, without conquests. The fifty million Muslims of Europe will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades.” Even worse, it goes on to say: “Just look at the development within Europe, where the number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes. Every Western woman in the EU is producing an average of 1.4 children. Every Muslim woman in the same countries is producing 3.5 children.”“A Muslim continent”! “The number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes”! No wonder the CIC was upset. And not just the CIC: writer Jim Henley, whose articles have appeared in The New Republic and The American Spectator Online, quoted the “mosquitoes” line and called Steyn a “racist.” There were just two problems: The “Muslim continent” statement is not only factual, it’s stated in words no one can characterize as inflammatory. (Also, it’s been said by Libya’s strongman Muammar Qaddafi). Second, “The number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes” was not Steyn’s phrase. He was quoting Mullah Krekar, a jihadist who currently resides in Norway, although officials have been trying for years to get him out of the country.. And that sums up the problem with the Canadian human rights commissions’ action against Steyn: he was simply reporting on contemporary European reality. It was not Mark Steyn, but Algerian leader Houari Boumédienne who said at the United Nations in 1974: “One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.” Those who want to silence Steyn want to suppress facts and limit free speech.It was not Steyn who said that “Islam will return to Europe as a conqueror and victor,” and that “the conquest this time will not be by the sword but by preaching and ideology.” That was Al-Jazeera’s Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradhawi, who is widely hailed as a moderate reformer in the West. Did Steyn say that Muslims “will control the land of the Vatican; we will control Rome and introduce Islam in it”? Nope. That one comes from a Saudi Sheikh, Muhammad bin Abd Al-Rahman Al-‘Arifi, imam of the mosque of King Fahd Defense Academy.The Canadian Human Rights Commission is putting itself in the peculiar position of penalizing those non-Muslims who report on such statements, as if it is somehow an act encouraging “hatred and contempt” to reveal the unpleasant reality that comprises mainstream Islamic rhetoric today. There is no indication that the CHRC has done a thing to investigate the possibility that some Muslims in Canada might hold the views of Mullah Krekar, Qaddafi, Boumédienne, Qaradhawi and Sheikh Muhammad. When the CIC’s President Mohamed Elmasry said in 2004 that all Israelis over age eighteen were legitimate targets, the CHRC took no action. But Elmasry, you see, is part of a protected victim class."

Tony Price ● 6859d

Re :- "    The nature of Ealing and London have and continue to be changed beyond description without any permission sought nor advised by the powers that were, by the composition of the population being changed."          xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx      This afternoon I went to Uxbridge on the bus along the Uxbridge Road, stopping off at Southall en route. Hanwell has gone largely to "not of this continent", Southall we know all about, but Hayes  has now gone and so it seems has Uxbridge, judging by the persons in the streets and shops. Possibly not all live there but there is  more than a fair representation. So locally we have Shepherd's Bush market taken over completely, all along the Uxbridge Road to Acton and beyond. Ealing Central is possibly 50% european, West Ealing far less so, Brent is 75% non Brit, Hounslow long since known as Little Pakistan. Most of the privately owned shops in all those areas are not of our culture, all halal meat sold. And before some say " so what ", the following is a small extract written by a cyber friend and sent to me today :-        1. What is patriotism?2. The value of patriotism3. Tribes are natural4. Nations  are tribes writ large5. The importance of a national territory6. The democratic value of nations7.  What the individual owes to the nation8. The liberal internationalist9. How to move from multiculturalism to patriotism      5. The importance of a national territoryA  national territory is  essential to the well-being of the nation. . The fate of the Jews  after they lost theirs is a cautionary tale for anyone who believes  otherwise.  The ideal  is a territory which is controlled entirely by the nation ,  a population  which is overwhelmingly comprised of  people who are true members of the national “tribe”  through their parentage and upbringing. The prime example of such a state is the pre-union England, which  was the first true nation state.The next best  choice is for a nation state containing  different peoples who each have de facto  their own national territory. Britain is a first rate example of such a state, with  the four home nations having their own national territory. Being formally master in your own house is best, but simply  having a territory  in which you form the majority on the ground is a great consolation and  benefit .  That applies even to a people such as the Kurds who are divided between  Turkey, Iraq and Iran.  Being the dominant population they have both the  reassurance of their physical  control of the territory - boots on the ground - and the consoling possibility  of converting that  demographic dominance into political control in the future.6. The democratic value of nationsPolitically, nations are immensely valuable because the nation state is the largest  political  unit which allows any meaningful democratic control. Indeed, it is arguable that  representative  government  at the national level is the  only  real opportunity  for  serious democratic control because representative bodies below the national level  are always subject to the national government  or a supra-national authority, while a supra-national authority  signals the end of democratic control. More of that later.Only in a country where  there is a sense of shared  history, culture and communal interest  can  representative government  function, even in principle,  as  a conduit for the interests of the  entire population. In a country which is riven by  ethnic and racial  difference representative democracy  invariably  deteriorates into  a mass of competing  groups all struggling for their own  advantage.  Policy making and its execution becomes fragmentary and it is impossible to construct a coherent approach to promoting the common good. In a  nation state  with a large degree of homogeneity  the political process is concentrated instead upon policies which affect all, , or at least the overwhelming majority, of the people.  For example, before  post-war mass immigration fractured Britain , the great  political questions were ones related to class. Policies were put forward which either were intended to better the situation of the working class or  to resist change. Either way, the policy was designed to service the entire population not  merely a part of it.Once a country’s sovereignty is  breached through treaties which commit countries to bow to the  will of  supra-national  bodies , as has happened with  the constituent  countries of the EU,  democratic control withers on the vine because  mainstream politicians of all stamps begin to formulate their policies  within the context of what the supra-national body allows not in the interests of the country.. Eventually, a situation is reached, as has been reached in the case of the EU, whereby  all parties with an opportunity for power sing from the same policy hymn sheet.  At that point representative  government becomes a shell and  democratic control is gone because there is no opportunity to vote for any party which  will change matters. That is so because the grip of the existing elite is so tight on  all the levers of power, most importantly  the mass media,  that no new party can even get a serious hearing.Where  the form of government is parliamentary, the difficulty is enhanced by the fact that  very large numbers of candidates  must stand to both be taken seriously and  have any chance of forming a majority. This imposes an immense organisational  and economic burden on the new party,  not least because  the party will lack experienced politicians as candidates and party  bureaucrats.  Add in things such as first-past-the-post voting in individual constituencies and  the deposit of £500 for each candidate which is at risk of being lost in the vote does not reach 8% of the total, and the British system is just about the best armoured against new parties gaining a foothold in government as any in the world.Democratic control is vitally important  to maintaining the integrity of the nation. There is only one  general political question of importance in any society, namely, how far can the masses control the abusive tendencies of the elite?  Elites as a class  are naturally abusive because it is in  the nature of human beings to be selfish and  to look for their own advantage and that of those closest to them. That does not mean  that no member of an elite will  break ranks and go against their class interest.  What it does mean is that an elite as a whole  will not change its spots , not least because the sociological  shackles are too strong for most of  those members of the elite who might be tempted to go against their class interest will be  dissuaded  from doing so because of the group pressures within the elite, for the  elite will develop a “tribal”  sense of their own, with those outside the elite seen as  a separate social entity.  The less democratic control  there is over the elite , the more the elite will engage in  behaviours which are detrimental to the coherence of the “tribe” as a whole because the elite will seek their own advantage rather than that of the nation. .  Before the rise of  the nation state,  the abuse  was generally much in evidence  because elites commonly took the form of monarchs and subordinate rulers in the forms of territorially based aristocracies  presiding over  territories which contained various national/ethnic groups, the members of which were seen as subjects not part of a national whole.  The common and deliberate policy  of  such elites was to “divide and rule”.  Territories were also  frequently subject to changes of  ruler through conquest, a change of  royal favour  (in the case of subordinate rulers), inheritance or marriage contracts.  In such circumstances there was little opportunity for  the masses to exercise any form of control over their rulers because  there was no unity of  feeling  or sense of  commonality amongst  the peoples they ruled and the sense of “tribe“ was localised. .  It is noteworthy that arguably the most  dramatic popular rising in Europe during the mediaeval period took place in England (the Peasants’ Revolt of 1381), the one large  kingdom  in Europe at that time with a  broadly homogenous population and a  territory which enjoyed meaningful  central Royal control.With the creation of  the nation state there arose the possibility of democratic control, note, I say possibility not certainty.    The creation of a sense of nation  within a single territory responsible to a single ruler  in itself provides the circumstances whereby dissent can be focused and power and influence  removed from the monarch and diffused to an ever larger part of the population.  That is precisely what happened in England , with  first the gradual accretion of powers by  Parliament , especially over taxation,  then with the development of Parliamentary government after 1689 and finally with the extension of the franchise from 1832 onwards. By the beginning of the 20th century a large degree of democratic control had been established because  the elite were working within the nation state , were dependent  on a mass electorate  and were having to produce policies  within a national context. That control lasted until the early 1970s when the elite found another way of breaking  it by moving politics from the national  state to a supra-national  power, the EU. Once that was done,  the abusive tendencies of the elite could re-assert themselves, as they have done in spades.7.. What the individual owes to the nation  Membership of a nation  places  a natural duty on the individual to support the nation. Patriotism should be viewed as  a matter of utility, an absolutely necessity for the maintenance  and  coherence of a society. The idea that a society can survive which is merely a collection of deracinated  individuals  has no basis in  history or observed human behaviour today.  It is a very great privilege to be part of a nation,  for it is the place where you automatically belong. Just as  a family is  the place where most people can find automatic  support so  is the nation. In fact, the nation is even  more reliable than  a family  because no one can remove the nationality which has been imprinted into a person while a family can reject a member.  In an advanced  country such as Britain membership of the nation  state  is valuable indeed, for materially at least  it is  still (just) a fully fledged life support system. .That which is valuable needs to be defended,  because  what is valuable is always envied by others  and will be stolen  if possible and destroyed if not.  The state recognises this by  expecting its nationals to fight to protect the national territory against an overt  invader. The principle  can be extended to  other things such as  opposing mass immigration (a surreptitious form of conquest) and  defending  the nation’s  vital industries.Being patriotic by my definition does not mean constantly  and stridently asserting a  nation’s achievements and  superiority to other nations.  It merely, means  looking after the national interest in the same way that an individual looks to their own interest.8. The liberal internationalistLiberal internationalist  ideology  is diametrically opposed to  what Nature has decreed. As  mentioned at the beginning of this essay it states that homo sapiens is a single species  whose  atoms, the individual human being,  are interchangeable.  For the liberal internationalist discrimination is the dirtiest of  words  and a word which he interprets to the point of reductio ad absurdum.That is the theory. In practice,  the liberal internationalist complains if discrimination only when it effects those whom  it includes within the protective embrace of political correctness.  Those outside that embrace may be abused and vilified as strenuously as  . Most perversely  this attitude frequently results in members of a majority actively discriminating against  their own people.  Nowhere is this behaviour seen more  sharply than in the attitude of the British elite towards the English to whom they deny any political voice - a privilege granted to the other parts of the UK - and  actively abuse them by representing  English national feeling  as a dangerous thing.The liberal left internationalists  may have  made  truly immense efforts to portray  nations as  outmoded relics at best and barbarous survivals  from a less enlightened past at worst, but despite their best (or worst) efforts they have  not  changed the  natural feelings  of people  because these feelings  derive from  the general  biological imperative  common to  all social animals: the need to develop behaviours which  enhance the utility of the group.But if our elite have not  destroyed the naturally patriotic feelings the people they rule,  they have  tainted them by suppressing  their public expression through  the use of the criminal law  (incitement to racial hatred etc) and  civil law (unfair dismissal through racial discrimination etc)  and by the ruthless  enforcement of their liberal-left  ideology  throughout politics, public service, academia, the schools, major private  corporations and  the mainstream media. So successful have they been  that  rarely does  any  native dissent about immigration and its consequences enter the public realm , while  it is now impossible for anyone  in a senior position in  any public organisation or  private organisations with a quasi-public quality, for examples, charities and  plcs, without  religiously observing the complete elite ideology  which has solidified into what is now called political correctness.    The consequence is that people have developed the mentality common in totalitarian regimes that  certain feelings, however natural, are  dangerous and should be  the subject of self censorship.  People still have the feelings but they are withdrawn from public conversation and increasing private discourse.It is important to understand that even the most vociferous  liberal does not believe in his  or her heart of hearts that  humanity is a single indivisible entity whose atoms (the individual) are in practice interchangeable. They  wish it was so but  know it is not so.  However, the ideologically committed continue to live in hope that minds and behaviours can be changed by what they  are wont to call “education”,  for which read indoctrination.  The rest go along with the idea because it has been built into the structure of the  elite and the doubters prize ambition and their membership of the elite above honesty.Incredible as it may seem to those who witness their public posturing, liberal internationalists  experience the same fears  as  everyone else, an unsurprising fact because they have  the same biological template. This is what drives them to  live in a manner which is directly at odds with their professed ideology. Look at the life of a  white liberal and you will find that they arrange their lives  so that they live in very white, and in England, very English worlds.  They do this in  two ways. They either live in  an area which is overwhelmingly white - the “rightest of right-on” folk singers Billy Bragg  chooses to live in the “hideously white”  county of Dorset -  or a gentrified white enclave is created on the outskirts of an area such as Islington  which has a significant ethnic  content to its population. The latter tactic allows the white liberal to luxuriate in the faux belief that they are “living the diversity dream” whilst in reality  encountering  little if any of the “joy of diversity” they are  so vocally enthusiastic about.These people socialise in worlds which are almost entirely white. ( The drippingly pc BBC presenter Adrian Chilles  described in 2003 how he realised this when he looked at his wedding photographs which were taken only a few years before.  With a guest list of several hundred he was unable to find  a single non-white face staring out at him. )The  only ethnics they  have  equal or extended contact with are those they meet in their work, ethnics who  are middleclass and westernised. They will also be few in number , for even the workplace of the white liberal will be very white in most instances.9. How to move from multiculturalism to patriotismIt is of course impossible to consciously force someone to be patriotic but there is no need to because the natural instincts  of human beings is to be patriotic.  All that needs to be  done is to  remove the constraints  placed on national expression by the liberal internationalists and  the  natural instincts will re-assert themselves . That  can be done by  the political elite changing their tune  towards a defence  of the nation and the nation state. Let the political; rhetoric alter and  the public mood will soon swing towards the patriotic.All  treaties which restrict the power of  a government to act in the national context must be thrown away. In  the case of Britain that means leaving the EU and  repudiating  treaties such as  the UN Convention on Refugees and the European Convention on Human Rights.The institutionalisation of  political correctness  within public service must be destroyed., both by  dismissing all those employed explicitly to enforce such views  (who are de facto political commissars) and  by repealing all the Acts which  both provide powers for officials  and those which  restrict free expression.  I say political correctness in its entirety because  the various strands of political correctness support each other, most notably in the general attack on “discrimination”.  Leave anything of the “discrimination” culture intact and it will be used to bring in multiculturalism by the back door. It would also require  many of the de facto political commissars to be left in office.Public office,  both that held by politicians and officials, should be restricted to  those with four  grandparents  and two parents as nationals born and bred.  This should be done to prevent  any lack of focus because of  the danger of divided national loyalties.Mass  immigration must be ended.  Immigrants  in a country illegally should be removed  in short order where that can be done. Where possible, those legally  in a country  who cannot or will not assimilate fully , should be  re-settled  in their  countries of  their national origin or the national origin of their  ancestors or in  other countries where they  will be in the racial/ethnic majority.  Those who are in a country legally but  who are not required  because they do not have scarce skills which cannot be supplied  by the native population, should be sent back to their countries of origin - there would be few from countries who could not be returned because they  would  be definitely  identifiable as coming from a country and few countries will refuse  to receive one of their nationals  even if they do not have  a passport.       

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The following is an insider's view and one becoming shared by many, a posting on another publication.:-    xxxxxxxxxxxxxx      "Posted by: John Solomon on 2:05pm Tue 25 Dec 07[quote] Youth 'critical' after shooting. A 17-year-old boy is in acritical but stable condition in a south London hospital after beingshot in the face. Police were called to Gartons Way, Wandsworth, at 1800GMT on Christmas Eve, after reports of a shooting. Scotland Yard's guncrime unit is investigating the attack. Officers believe the victim wasshot while he was inside a stationary vehicle. Two suspects, both blackmales wearing hooded tops, were seen leaving the scene on foot.[/quote]Can anybody tell me that these areas in London are now better places tolive, because of an influx of immigrants? 10 years ago I wasn't evenaware of the effects of immigration, and had never even visited the BNPwebsite. Five years ago, the area where I live began to become'enriched', and now I can see exactly where it's heading, as is the restof the country. That's why I voted BNP in the last election, and willcontinue to do so, as will millions of other Britons, who have nowhereleft to run. Why is it only white countries that have to acceptunbearable numbers of unwanted immigrants? Jack Black has summed it upvery well - the globalists want a one world government - they want todestroy all cultures, under the guise of 'multi' culturalism. They wantto dumb down the population of all white countries by flooding them withmillions of people from all over the planet, all from differentbackgrounds, different cultures, different ways of life, so that we, thepeople, will never again be able to feel like a GROUP, and willtherefore never be able to stand up against the totalitarians who wantto control us ALL. Apparently, any indigenous white community who wantto actually stay alive and keep their traditions and way of life intact,are 'full of hate'. So I presume that if ten million Europeans wereflooding into Africa every year, against the wishes of the vast majorityof the African population, and demanding that Africans translateeverything into English, French, German, Italian, etc. for them, anddemanding that Africans kowtow to Christianity, and demanding thatAfricans pay taxes to keep us living on welfare, etc. that any Africanwho dared to protest the pending destruction of his culture and hispeople, would be 'full of hate'. White people are waking up, all overthe world, and the continuing success of the BNP is testament to that.The BNP website gets more hits than any other political party's site.Despite being vilified constantly by every single television programmeand newspaper, it still gets more hits. How is that, unless the majorityagree with most of the BNP's policies? I'll leave you with a quote froma survey made a few weeks ago: [quote]"VOTERS yesterday delivered adamning verdict on Labour's shambolic immigration policy and demanded anannual cap on migrants. About three quarters of the population believethere should be a limit, with more than half of these saying it shouldbe as low as 10,000 a year. Almost two thirds think there are too manyimmigrants and the majority of people believe ministers are doing a poorjob over the issue."[/quote]

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re :-      Tony EXACTLY... what does BNP stand for????????????                xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx      If you want a frank answer I don't really know, 'cos one hears so many differing things. I am not a member nor an ardent supporter but IF the opportunity arose I would vote for them, by way of a protest vote. There is no way they could form a government at a national level as they do not have persons of sufficient ability but they do have an impact  in local politics. For example, in Dagenham East when the local MP found out the BNP were gathering much support, he / she said " we must tell the people the benefits of multi-culturalism !!!". The BNP then did well there in the local elections , and when the MP became scared of losing their Parliamentary seat, an about turn was swiftly done. " Maybe the indigenous whites should  get preferential consideration in social housing ", or words to that effect. In other words a blatant NIMBY. The reason why the erstwhile indigs there went to the BNP is because they were pushed out in favour of those with darker skin colour, which to my way of thinking is the most heinous blatant racism possible. The Revised Tenancy Agreement 2001 was unearthed by the BNP councillors when elected in Bradford?, and if  you were to read that your hair would turn grey. I have been told by so many people here and in Hampshire, their relatives have not got a look in with social housing as the Govt's instructions were to house the immigrants / asylum seekers first. 15 years or so ago I got to know a person who lived in the flats  at the rear of Woolworths / BHS etc in West Ealing, and the tenants were almost all white. Now hardly one to be seen and I am told it is a druggies paradise. Pam who used to run the Fruit/veg stall alongside Smiths said the drug dealing had become blatant on that estate.        But getting back to the BNP issue, have a look at their w/site ( before it gets blown up again by persons unknown ??). Basically they are pro British and against MASS immigration, know full well why foreigners pour into Blighty etc etc. Supposed to be anti-jewish but that is not the case as there are jewish BNP councillors apparently, as there are asian ones. Supposedly anti gay but I am not sure on that point and one where they would not get much support these days due to greater " education " of people. Pro Christian and not too much in favour of creeping Islam. In a nutshell, they  want the cultures of THIS country to reign supreme in our own land and not to be subservient to those of the aliens nor watered down for the sake of  incomers, definitely anti PC ( and if ever there was a mis-nomer, that's it )

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