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Excellent idea for a thread Gerry!I think of myself as being both British and English, though my Britishness is being sorely tested by the way that Gordon Brown and the rest of the Scottish mafia running Westminster who continue to flagrantly ignore the West Lothian question!Best things about being British:* Sense of fair play ("it's just not cricket!")* Queueing - other people just don't get it!* The great British cuppa* Freedom of expression - such as to be able to name one's teddy bear whatever one chooses.* Our much-maligned cuisine - apart from the traditional fish and chips and roast beef and Yorkshire pudding, there's also the modern British favourite, the curry! Try getting a decent curry elsewhere in Europe!* The British weather - not too hot not too cold and endless topic of conversation.* Our nautical analogies (e.g. "I like the cut of your jib") based on a long and proud nautical tradition* Lastly, British culture in general which has been developed and enhanced by wave after wave of "Eurotrash" (refer to another thread on this forum)(including Romans, Vikings, Saxons, Danes, Normans, Flemings, Huguenots, Poles etc etc) and subsequent generations of immigrants from the Commonwealth and rest of the world who have come here to escape persecution or make a better life  for themselves and who have each contributed to the rich fabric of our society. I'm proud to support a cricket team that includes players such as Kevin Pietersen, Matthew Prior, Monty Panesar, Owais Shah and Ravi Bopara.  There are times that I feel English, rather than British however, particularly when England are playing one of the other home nations at football or rugby - long may these rivalries continue!

James de Vivenot ● 6864d

Re :-  " Very true, I don't doubt.But they didn't bring half their countries with them and set up parallel societies here.           xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx        Exactly the point. What I cannot understand is how ANYONE can willingly allow their country, or parts thereof  to be taken over by persons who have no connection with us and who have no intention of integrating, on top of which we are expected to blend in with their ways. Unbelievable. Perhaps some can explain in detail their reasons for advocating this handing over. As I said, the transformation of just local places like Shepherd's Bush market and many parts of the L B of Ealing take some explaining. Not too long ago, there were plans afoot in Southall to change street names to ones from the sub-continent. Fortunately, the then Mayor declined to let it happen. Bearing in mind the composition of persons now attending schools in London, those who criticise my widely held views , may well wake up too late. A very high % of babies born in London are to parents from overseas, and when I say a v. high %, I think it is well towards half, and  which refers only to mothers from other countries which does not even take into account babies born to mothers of foreign origin but given British nationality. The result  already is  the bona fide indigs of this country have been made a minority in our own capital, which ain't no little village !! ,so why anyone should be cock-a -hoop over that baffles me. Look  say 15 - 20 years on, when the current youngsters will themselves be producing babies and the indigs will definitely be an endangered species, and on the way , our heritage and environment definitely is. Already there are demands for all black Parliamentary candidate lists because of the large black population ( one and half million ? ) in London. If one thinks about the  situation, one can readily see it is not a question of integration/ cohesion but take-over, and I await detailed good reasons as to why that should not only be acceptable but welcomed.     

Tony Price ● 6862d

>  Being British>  >>  Being British is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub for a>  Belgian beer, then travelling home, grabbing an Indian curry or a>  Turkish kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American>  shows on a Japanese TV.>  > And the most British thing of all? Suspicion of all things foreign!>  > Only in Britain can a pizza get to your house faster than an ambulance.>  > Only in Britain do supermarkets make sick people walk all the way to the>  back of the shop to get their prescriptions while healthy people can buy>  cigarettes at the front.>  > Only in Britain do people order double cheeseburgers, large fries and a>  DIET coke.>  > Only in Britain do banks leave both doors open and chain the pens to the>  counters.>  > Only in Britain do we leave cars worth thousands of pounds on the drive>  and lock our junk and cheap lawn mower in the garage.>  > Only in Britain do we use answering machines to screen calls and then>  have call waiting so we won't miss a call from someone we didn't want to>  talk to in the first place.>  > Only in Britain are there disabled parking places in front of a skating>  rink.>  > NOT TO MENTION..>  > 3 Brits die each year testing if a 9v battery works on their tongue.>  142 Brits were injured in 1999 by not removing all pins from new shirts.>  > 58 Brits are injured each year by using sharp knives instead of>  screwdrivers.>  > 31 Brits have died since 1996 by watering their Christmas tree while the>  fairy lights were plugged in.>  > 19 Brits have died in the last 3 years believing that Christmas>  decorations were chocolate.>  > British Hospitals reported 4 broken arms last year after Xmas>  cracker-pulling accidents.>  > 18 Brits had serious burns in 2000 trying on a new jumper with a lit>  cigarette in their mouth.>  > A massive 543 Brits were admitted to A&E in the last two years after>  trying to open bottles of beer with their teeth...>  > 5 Brits were injured last year in accidents involving out-of-control>  Scalextric cars.>  > and finally...>  > In 2000 eight Brits were admitted to hospital with fractured skulls>  incurred whilst throwing up into the toilet.

Graham Weeks ● 6859d

Re :- "Regarding hospital beds being turned towards Mecca.There was apparently a problem in an asylum seeker hostel in Spelthorne, Staines area, when someone discovered that the lavatories were orientated towards Mecca, that is the front of the pan faced northwestish. I don't know what the outcome was. "        xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx          Probably what might be termed an unholy mess !!.         However, to revert to seriousness. Either last year or the one before, a new build in Bristol was hailed as bloomin marvellous, 'cos it was a social housing construction in which persons from Asia I think it was, who would be the main  occupants, 4 bedrooms and all that, but the speciality was in the bathrooms /  toilets, WHICH were made to face Mecca. The comment was made that all new builds should be like that so as to accomodate potential muslims. I have a very special Pakistani friend who has a house in Ealing nearby and who lived previously where I do, and who does pray five times a day but who has NEVER expressed any concern as to the facing directions of the various loos with which he has been acquainted. He is however of the more elevated and educated variety and with whom I have very interesting discussions , especially on religion. He respects alternative if genuinely held views. I usually get a phone call from him in Pakistan ( to where he keeps asking me to go ) about this time wishing me a happy Christmas, but this year not so far. I bombard him with e mails of a certain nature but he is very pre-occupied with other goings on in his country at the present time. An Iraqi family with whom also I am ( less so now ) friendly, have never made an issue of toilet facings. I think it is all yet another example of sycophantic indigs doing / saying what they think they should, due to left-wing brainwashing.

Tony Price ● 6859d

Re :- "And take another example, an hospital matron somewhere up north has instructed her nurses ( who of course have so much spare time ) they must turn the beds occupied by muslims to face Mecca 5 times a day !!!"    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  A bit more on this topic of how  we are being forced to comply with the requirements of certain immigrants( and as far as the base for the  drugs aspect having to be  be found elsewhere, I don't recall Jews ever having insisted on this, and their " needs " should be the same as muslims, cos their needs come from the very same source ) And imagine the shock for other patients being confronted with a burka clad other, or even worse, a group of burka clads.        I tried to get K Livingstone to ban the wearing of these garments in public on the grounds of public safety ( 'cos you ain't got a clue who is inside the things, especially the ones with gauze over the eye-slit) but he wouldn't wear it. I suppose to him, the 1 million muslim vote in London is a bigger consideration. Two terrorists / murderers escaped the country wearing these things, which I find extremely intimidating up close. Why is it we are not allowed to fly  the English flag in case it upsets the ethnics but they are allowed to wear things which upset us?  Extract from a newspaper article :-          In many hospitals across the United Kingdom,unprecedented faith-based, special services have been provided to Muslimpatients at the risk of damaging overall quality of care and burdeninghealthcare professionals. These include special patient counselingduring the Muslim holiday, Ramadan; devising substitutions for alcoholand porcine-derived drugs; rotating the beds of bedridden patientstoward Mecca and providing fresh bathing water for the five-times-dailyprayer rituals; distributing burka-style gowns for patients andmandating that hospital personnel participate in taxpayer-fundedworkshops on Islam-specific customs

Tony Price ● 6857d

True Britishness has become a rare commodity, see this written and sent to me today by a cyber correspondent:-      " Patriotism is not an optional extraContents1. What is patriotism?2. The value of patriotism3. Tribes are natural4. Nations  are tribes writ large5. The importance of a national territory6. The democratic value of nations7.  What the individual owes to the nation8. The liberal internationalist9. How to move from multiculturalism to patriotism2021Twenty twenty oneAnd the pogroms comeBecause no public OneWould heed  Nature’s thrumSaying ever onBefore each oneThe tribe must come.1. What is patriotism?By patriotism I mean the sense of belonging to a people, of owning  a land, of  instinctively favouring  your own country’s  men and women, of  knowing that  the interest of the “tribe” must come  before everything else.  By this definition patriotism is something which  the vast majority of  human beings can understand, - the only people who may be genuinely immune to such comprehension  are those who are severely mentally retarded  and those with  a personality disorder such as autism which reduces their ability to understand  the  social context.The ease and  near universality of  understanding sets  patriotism apart from ideologies such as Marxism and  liberal internationalism which  ask the individual to master both the tenets of the ideology and complicated arguments to support of  the ideology against attack  Those who respond to the call of patriotism cannot be hoodwinked  and manipulated by  the few because almost everyone understands  what patriotism is instinctively. Contrast this with the fate of the majority of  those who,  while professing to be adherents of an intellectually  demanding ideology , actually have little understanding of it,  either because they are intellectually lazy or because they lack the intellectual wherewithal to master the ideology. Such people are left in the position of the laity in Europe in  mediaeval times when the use of Latin in both translations of the Bible and church rites  meant that the vast majority of the population were left  at the mercy of the a small clerical elite who simply told them what to believe whether or not it was sanctioned by the Scriptures.2. The value of patriotismThe value of patriotism  lies in its ability to  produce social coherence and an enduring  and discrete population . Without patriotism a  country becomes  no more than a geographical expression and is  ready prey for colonisation by overt  conquest  or  covert conquest  through mass immigration.The notion , assiduously disseminated by  liberal internationalists, that human beings are  interchangeable social atoms who may live as readily in one society as another  is a recipe for national suicide, because it embraces policies such as mass immigration which directly lead to the weakening and ultimately to the destruction of their  own nations.  Of course, for the liberal internationalist  the destruction of  nation states  and the subordination of nations are desired ends , but this is predicated on the demonstrably false premise that  diverse populations will live as peacefully and productively as homogeneous ones . Indeed, the common internationalist claim is that diverse societies will be stronger  and, by implication,  more enduring than  homogenous ones.  The internationalists have no  meaningful grounds for believing this,  for the whole experience of human history  and  the world as it is today says that  diversity  of race and ethnicity  in the same territory equates to  violence and  social incoherence.  There is literally no example of a diverse society which has not suffered  from its diversity.  Ironically, the consequence of  mixed populations is not a diminishing of national/tribal sentiment, but  an inflation of it. A people secure in its own territory does  not need  to engage in constant  national expression because nothing threatens it: a people in a mixed society must constantly do so because all the ethnic/racial groups are necessarily in conflict because of the need for each  to compete for power and resources for their own group.3. Tribes are  naturalThe  sense of  being  separate, of belonging to  a discrete group with identifiable characteristics  is a necessary  part of  being human because Man is a  social animal.  All social animals have to have boundaries to know where the group begins and ends. This is because a social animal must  operate within a hierarchy and a hierarchy can only exist where there  are boundaries. No boundaries, no hierarchy, because no individual could  ever know what the dominance/submission situation was within their species,  or at least within those members of the species with whom they interact.Where does "must operate within a hierarchy" come from? First the observed facts: all social animals do produce hierarchies - although these vary considerably in form - and human beings always produce hierarchies, whether they are hunter-gatherers or people populating a great modern city.Why do social animals always form hierarchies? For animals other than Man the answer is I think simple enough: only by forming hierarchies can social groups cohere. This is most probably because animals vary considerably in their physical and mental qualities. Observe any animal, even the simplest single cell organism, and differences between individuals within the species will become apparent. Some are more vigorous than others, some larger, some, more adventurous and so on. Individuals will also vary by age and, in sexually reproducing species, sex.In a solitary animal the practical consequences of differences between individuals will be decided by direct competition, most commonly by the formation of territories and the attempted monopoly of mates and food within the territory, with the best endowed animals on average being more successful.When an animal is social, differences in individual quality have to be resolved by something other than the methods used by solitary animals such as scent marking of territory boundaries and serious fighting because the animals have to live in close proximity. Competition for desirable goods still occurs, most notably competition for mates, but normally within behaviours which are not fatal to other members of the group or behaviours which are so disruptive as to threaten the survival of the group. The upshot of this social accommodation is the formation of different social niches into which individuals  with different qualities ad histories fit.Group behaviour is a compromise between the immediate advantage of the individual and the diffuse advantages derived from group activity. The compromise is given structure by hierarchies, whether that be a fixed biological distinction by sex or caste (for example, social bees) or a transient one due to the age of an animal. Hierarchies are built on the differences between individuals and the more rigid the hierarchical structure the greater will be the selective pressures to produce individuals in the right proportions to fill the various social niches within the group.Consider what would happen if hierarchies did not exist. There would be constant conflict within the group because no individual would have cause to defer to another except from fear of physical harm and such fear is a blunt and very limited instrument of social control, whether it be of humans or animals. It is a strategy more suited to the solitary animal than the social one.Hierarchies also make sense in terms of the development of social animals. Social animals are ultimately descended from asocial animals. The movement from asocial to social animal is presumably akin to the evolutionary process whereby a parasite is converted to a symbiotic partner. It is a process of gradual behavioural accommodation.Social animals on the bottom rung of the social animal ladder may do little more than associate together at certain times. The next rung up and the animal frequently associates with others of its kind. One more step and the animal forms more or less permanent groupings. And so on until we reach the ultimate social animal: Man.The gradual evolution of social behaviour of itself points to the need for hierarchy, because at each stage of the evolution the natural overtly selfish behaviour of the original solitary animal has to be modified. That modification will only come through natural selection working on behavioural traits which favour more complete socialisation.What about human beings? Are they not capable of breaking the biological bounds which capture animals? Does not their immense intelligence and possession of language place them in another category of being? Could Man not simply decide not to behave in a non-hierarchical manner? The fact that human beings have never done so is of itself sufficient evidence for all but the most ideologically committed nurturist to decide that human beings cannot do it and to conclude that the forming of hierarchies is part of the human template. However, to that fact can be added another, the dominance/submission behaviour which every person witnesses daily not merely in positions of formal dominance and subordination such as the workplace, but in every aspect of social life.Societies which consist of  human groups which  see themselves as separate  disrupt the creation of a healthy hierarchy.  Instead  of there being a single hierarchy within an homogenous group (defining homogenous as a group which sees itself as a group), there are competing hierarchies formed within each group and a further overarching hierarchy formed from the various groups themselves. No individual feels secure , there is constant tension between groups.  There is no common bond of trust between  people sharing the same territorial house.Within each group the natural hierarchy is disrupted , because  in addition to  the natural competition for higher status  within the group, there will also be competition brought about by the need for action  to deal with the competition from the other groups within the territory.  The consequence of such inter-group competition  is frequently  for the elites of  a group to be divided  between appeasers and fighters.  This internal struggle weakens the group in itself,  and if the appeasers win,  will force a policy on the group which is in most cases detrimental to their group interest. - the only exception is where the group is faced with the alternative of  complete extermination.4. Nations  are tribes writ largeNations are tribes writ large.  They  are remarkably durable. Empires invariably fall but a true nation is potentially eternal  unless utterly destroyed through an act of genocide.  Even the loss of a homeland - the most traumatic loss any nation can sustain -  does not destroy  a people as the Jews  have emphatically  shown  for  nearly two thousand years.A shared  faith or  political ideology does not make a nation.  Muslims may claim to be one people but the reality is very different as the continual strife between Muslims  bears witness.  Not only is there the  major division between Shias and Sunnis,  Muslim dominated states of the same ostensible branch of Islam are often  hostile to each other, while Muslim terrorists/freedom fighters (take your pick)  willingly kill fellow Muslims  - women and children included - in large numbers.Similarly, Marxist Leninists in the Soviet Union and Red China may have maintained the fiction  to the bitter end  of the  Soviet  Bloc that the international proletariat was as one , but  the substantial deviations between their  ideologies  and the viciously repressive measures they used to deny their own proles contact with  outside world (and hence with the rest of the proletariat) told another tale.Today, the doctrine of liberal internationalism  pretends to a universality of human experience  and  commonality which is refuted every day by the manifold social, ethnic and racial strife throughout the world.The  Jews  are something of an oddity. Until the modern state of Israel was founded  in 1948 they had been without  a homeland for nearly two millennia.  Because of that they were able to convert their religion into  a cultural  suit  to be worn by all adherents in a way that Islam and Christianity or any political ideology  never could.  Denuded of their own land,  they could neither be  oppressed by an invader nor oppress others by invasion. They could not  exercise state power.  All they had  left was cultural power, whether that be intellectual  or economic.  The consequence was that  Jewish culture became the badge of the Jew, not merely his  religion.Nations  are organic growths. They cannot be  constructed consciously as the  “nation-builders” of  the  period of European de-colonisation fondly imagined and their liberal internationalist successors today continue to at least pretend to believe. This is so because  nations are developed through the sociological process of establishing trust within the group. This only happens when  others are recognised as belonging naturally to the group. That does not mean that every member of the nation is  seen as equal  as an individual, whether for reasons of personality, ability or social status, but it does mean they are accepted automatically  as being part of the nation.  An English  duke may have little  if any social contact with  the English working man, but  each would instinctively recognise the other as English  because despite their  social distance they fall within the recognised template of what it is to be English.Just as a nation cannot  be consciously created  the individual cannot decide in anything other than the legal sense  that they are this or that nationality.  A man may  decide to  become a British citizen through an act of will but he  cannot decide to be English.  That is because  being English  is  the consequence of  parentage and upbringing, something over which the child has no control. It is the unconscious imbibing of a culture  something visceral.Most vitally,  a person has to be accepted without thinking  by other members of the nation as a member of  the nation  to be of that nation. That is why  the claims of  English men and women  to be Irish, Welsh or Scots  are both forlorn and ridiculous. As the English  film director Stephen Frears wittily remarked of the very English actor Daniel Day-Lewis “I knew Daniel before he was Irish”.Like it or not, the upbringing  of these wannabe Celts has made them English.  Not only do they think like the English, understand  English mores without thinking and are armed with a library of English cultural references ,  they  have  a personality which falls within  the English spectrum. Put them in a room with  foreigners or the Celts they wish to be and they will be taken for English. Such people cannot be anything but English , because  only by being raised in a society where  you  are accepted without  question as  being part of the nation can  the person become part of  a nation. An Englishman who wishes to claim that he is a Scot cannot do so because he lacks the  cultural imprinting of a Scot. It is not something which can be faked.5. The importance of a national territoryA  national territory is  essential to the well-being of the nation. . The fate of the Jews  after they lost theirs is a cautionary tale for anyone who believes  otherwise.  The ideal  is a territory which is controlled entirely by the nation ,  a population  which is overwhelmingly comprised of  people who are true members of the national “tribe”  through their parentage and upbringing. The prime example of such a state is the pre-union England, which  was the first true nation state.The next best  choice is for a nation state containing  different peoples who each have de facto  their own national territory. Britain is a first rate example of such a state, with  the four home nations having their own national territory. Being formally master in your own house is best, but simply  having a territory  in which you form the majority on the ground is a great consolation and  benefit .  That applies even to a people such as the Kurds who are divided between  Turkey, Iraq and Iran.  Being the dominant population they have both the  reassurance of their physical  control of the territory - boots on the ground - and the consoling possibility  of converting that  demographic dominance into political control in the future.6. The democratic value of nationsPolitically, nations are immensely valuable because the nation state is the largest  political  unit which allows any meaningful democratic control. Indeed, it is arguable that  representative  government  at the national level is the  only  real opportunity  for  serious democratic control because representative bodies below the national level  are always subject to the national government  or a supra-national authority, while a supra-national authority  signals the end of democratic control. More of that later.Only in a country where  there is a sense of shared  history, culture and communal interest  can  representative government  function, even in principle,  as  a conduit for the interests of the  entire population. In a country which is riven by  ethnic and racial  difference representative democracy  invariably  deteriorates into  a mass of competing  groups all struggling for their own  advantage.  Policy making and its execution becomes fragmentary and it is impossible to construct a coherent approach to promoting the common good. In a  nation state  with a large degree of homogeneity  the political process is concentrated instead upon policies which affect all, , or at least the overwhelming majority, of the people.  For example, before  post-war mass immigration fractured Britain , the great  political questions were ones related to class. Policies were put forward which either were intended to better the situation of the working class or  to resist change. Either way, the policy was designed to service the entire population not  merely a part of it.Once a country’s sovereignty is  breached through treaties which commit countries to bow to the  will of  supra-national  bodies , as has happened with  the constituent  countries of the EU,  democratic control withers on the vine because  mainstream politicians of all stamps begin to formulate their policies  within the context of what the supra-national body allows not in the interests of the country.. Eventually, a situation is reached, as has been reached in the case of the EU, whereby  all parties with an opportunity for power sing from the same policy hymn sheet.  At that point representative  government becomes a shell and  democratic control is gone because there is no opportunity to vote for any party which  will change matters. That is so because the grip of the existing elite is so tight on  all the levers of power, most importantly  the mass media,  that no new party can even get a serious hearing.Where  the form of government is parliamentary, the difficulty is enhanced by the fact that  very large numbers of candidates  must stand to both be taken seriously and  have any chance of forming a majority. This imposes an immense organisational  and economic burden on the new party,  not least because  the party will lack experienced politicians as candidates and party  bureaucrats.  Add in things such as first-past-the-post voting in individual constituencies and  the deposit of £500 for each candidate which is at risk of being lost in the vote does not reach 8% of the total, and the British system is just about the best armoured against new parties gaining a foothold in government as any in the world.Democratic control is vitally important  to maintaining the integrity of the nation. There is only one  general political question of importance in any society, namely, how far can the masses control the abusive tendencies of the elite?  Elites as a class  are naturally abusive because it is in  the nature of human beings to be selfish and  to look for their own advantage and that of those closest to them. That does not mean  that no member of an elite will  break ranks and go against their class interest.  What it does mean is that an elite as a whole  will not change its spots , not least because the sociological  shackles are too strong for most of  those members of the elite who might be tempted to go against their class interest will be  dissuaded  from doing so because of the group pressures within the elite, for the  elite will develop a “tribal”  sense of their own, with those outside the elite seen as  a separate social entity.  The less democratic control  there is over the elite , the more the elite will engage in  behaviours which are detrimental to the coherence of the “tribe” as a whole because the elite will seek their own advantage rather than that of the nation. .  Before the rise of  the nation state,  the abuse  was generally much in evidence  because elites commonly took the form of monarchs and subordinate rulers in the forms of territorially based aristocracies  presiding over  territories which contained various national/ethnic groups, the members of which were seen as subjects not part of a national whole.  The common and deliberate policy  of  such elites was to “divide and rule”.  Territories were also  frequently subject to changes of  ruler through conquest, a change of  royal favour  (in the case of subordinate rulers), inheritance or marriage contracts.  In such circumstances there was little opportunity for  the masses to exercise any form of control over their rulers because  there was no unity of  feeling  or sense of  commonality amongst  the peoples they ruled and the sense of “tribe“ was localised. .  It is noteworthy that arguably the most  dramatic popular rising in Europe during the mediaeval period took place in England (the Peasants’ Revolt of 1381), the one large  kingdom  in Europe at that time with a  broadly homogenous population and a  territory which enjoyed meaningful  central Royal control.With the creation of  the nation state there arose the possibility of democratic control, note, I say possibility not certainty.    The creation of a sense of nation  within a single territory responsible to a single ruler  in itself provides the circumstances whereby dissent can be focused and power and influence  removed from the monarch and diffused to an ever larger part of the population.  That is precisely what happened in England , with  first the gradual accretion of powers by  Parliament , especially over taxation,  then with the development of Parliamentary government after 1689 and finally with the extension of the franchise from 1832 onwards. By the beginning of the 20th century a large degree of democratic control had been established because  the elite were working within the nation state , were dependent  on a mass electorate  and were having to produce policies  within a national context. That control lasted until the early 1970s when the elite found another way of breaking  it by moving politics from the national  state to a supra-national  power, the EU. Once that was done,  the abusive tendencies of the elite could re-assert themselves, as they have done in spades.7.. What the individual owes to the nation  Membership of a nation  places  a natural duty on the individual to support the nation. Patriotism should be viewed as  a matter of utility, an absolutely necessity for the maintenance  and  coherence of a society. The idea that a society can survive which is merely a collection of deracinated  individuals  has no basis in  history or observed human behaviour today.  It is a very great privilege to be part of a nation,  for it is the place where you automatically belong. Just as  a family is  the place where most people can find automatic  support so  is the nation. In fact, the nation is even  more reliable than  a family  because no one can remove the nationality which has been imprinted into a person while a family can reject a member.  In an advanced  country such as Britain membership of the nation  state  is valuable indeed, for materially at least  it is  still (just) a fully fledged life support system. .That which is valuable needs to be defended,  because  what is valuable is always envied by others  and will be stolen  if possible and destroyed if not.  The state recognises this by  expecting its nationals to fight to protect the national territory against an overt  invader. The principle  can be extended to  other things such as  opposing mass immigration (a surreptitious form of conquest) and  defending  the nation’s  vital industries.Being patriotic by my definition does not mean constantly  and stridently asserting a  nation’s achievements and  superiority to other nations.  It merely, means  looking after the national interest in the same way that an individual looks to their own interest.8. The liberal internationalistLiberal internationalist  ideology  is diametrically opposed to  what Nature has decreed. As  mentioned at the beginning of this essay it states that homo sapiens is a single species  whose  atoms, the individual human being,  are interchangeable.  For the liberal internationalist discrimination is the dirtiest of  words  and a word which he interprets to the point of reductio ad absurdum.That is the theory. In practice,  the liberal internationalist complains if discrimination only when it effects those whom  it includes within the protective embrace of political correctness.  Those outside that embrace may be abused and vilified as strenuously as  . Most perversely  this attitude frequently results in members of a majority actively discriminating against  their own people.  Nowhere is this behaviour seen more  sharply than in the attitude of the British elite towards the English to whom they deny any political voice - a privilege granted to the other parts of the UK - and  actively abuse them by representing  English national feeling  as a dangerous thing.The liberal left internationalists  may have  made  truly immense efforts to portray  nations as  outmoded relics at best and barbarous survivals  from a less enlightened past at worst, but despite their best (or worst) efforts they have  not  changed the  natural feelings  of people  because these feelings  derive from  the general  biological imperative  common to  all social animals: the need to develop behaviours which  enhance the utility of the group.But if our elite have not  destroyed the naturally patriotic feelings the people they rule,  they have  tainted them by suppressing  their public expression through  the use of the criminal law  (incitement to racial hatred etc) and  civil law (unfair dismissal through racial discrimination etc)  and by the ruthless  enforcement of their liberal-left  ideology  throughout politics, public service, academia, the schools, major private  corporations and  the mainstream media. So successful have they been  that  rarely does  any  native dissent about immigration and its consequences enter the public realm , while  it is now impossible for anyone  in a senior position in  any public organisation or  private organisations with a quasi-public quality, for examples, charities and  plcs, without  religiously observing the complete elite ideology  which has solidified into what is now called political correctness.    The consequence is that people have developed the mentality common in totalitarian regimes that  certain feelings, however natural, are  dangerous and should be  the subject of self censorship.  People still have the feelings but they are withdrawn from public conversation and increasing private discourse.It is important to understand that even the most vociferous  liberal does not believe in his  or her heart of hearts that  humanity is a single indivisible entity whose atoms (the individual) are in practice interchangeable. They  wish it was so but  know it is not so.  However, the ideologically committed continue to live in hope that minds and behaviours can be changed by what they  are wont to call “education”,  for which read indoctrination.  The rest go along with the idea because it has been built into the structure of the  elite and the doubters prize ambition and their membership of the elite above honesty.Incredible as it may seem to those who witness their public posturing, liberal internationalists  experience the same fears  as  everyone else, an unsurprising fact because they have  the same biological template. This is what drives them to  live in a manner which is directly at odds with their professed ideology. Look at the life of a  white liberal and you will find that they arrange their lives  so that they live in very white, and in England, very English worlds.  They do this in  two ways. They either live in  an area which is overwhelmingly white - the “rightest of right-on” folk singers Billy Bragg  chooses to live in the “hideously white”  county of Dorset -  or a gentrified white enclave is created on the outskirts of an area such as Islington  which has a significant ethnic  content to its population. The latter tactic allows the white liberal to luxuriate in the faux belief that they are “living the diversity dream” whilst in reality  encountering  little if any of the “joy of diversity” they are  so vocally enthusiastic about.These people socialise in worlds which are almost entirely white. ( The drippingly pc BBC presenter Adrian Chilles  described in 2003 how he realised this when he looked at his wedding photographs which were taken only a few years before.  With a guest list of several hundred he was unable to find  a single non-white face staring out at him. )The  only ethnics they  have  equal or extended contact with are those they meet in their work, ethnics who  are middleclass and westernised. They will also be few in number , for even the workplace of the white liberal will be very white in most instances.9. How to move from multiculturalism to patriotismIt is of course impossible to consciously force someone to be patriotic but there is no need to because the natural instincts  of human beings is to be patriotic.  All that needs to be  done is to  remove the constraints  placed on national expression by the liberal internationalists and  the  natural instincts will re-assert themselves . That  can be done by  the political elite changing their tune  towards a defence  of the nation and the nation state. Let the political; rhetoric alter and  the public mood will soon swing towards the patriotic.All  treaties which restrict the power of  a government to act in the national context must be thrown away. In  the case of Britain that means leaving the EU and  repudiating  treaties such as  the UN Convention on Refugees and the European Convention on Human Rights.The institutionalisation of  political correctness  within public service must be destroyed., both by  dismissing all those employed explicitly to enforce such views  (who are de facto political commissars) and  by repealing all the Acts which  both provide powers for officials  and those which  restrict free expression.  I say political correctness in its entirety because  the various strands of political correctness support each other, most notably in the general attack on “discrimination”.  Leave anything of the “discrimination” culture intact and it will be used to bring in multiculturalism by the back door. It would also require  many of the de facto political commissars to be left in office.Public office,  both that held by politicians and officials, should be restricted to  those with four  grandparents  and two parents as nationals born and bred.  This should be done to prevent  any lack of focus because of  the danger of divided national loyalties.Mass  immigration must be ended.  Immigrants  in a country illegally should be removed  in short order where that can be done. Where possible, those legally  in a country  who cannot or will not assimilate fully , should be  re-settled  in their  countries of  their national origin or the national origin of their  ancestors or in  other countries where they  will be in the racial/ethnic majority.  Those who are in a country legally but  who are not required  because they do not have scarce skills which cannot be supplied  by the native population, should be sent back to their countries of origin - there would be few from countries who could not be returned because they  would  be definitely  identifiable as coming from a country and few countries will refuse  to receive one of their nationals  even if they do not have  a passport.A  written constitution  is a must because otherwise any change  to remedy matters will be vulnerable to reversal. Such a reversal could  be thwarted, as far as these things can ever be thwarted,  by  placing  a bar on what  a government may do.  That should include prohibitions on the signing of treaties which  restrict national sovereignty and  mass immigration ,  provisions for  the protection of strategic industries and the restriction of public office to  born and bred nationals and a clear statement that  the nation state exists to privilege its members over those of foreigners,. Most importantly, there  should be an absolute right to free expression for that is the greatest dissolver of elite abuse and  general chicanery.-- Robert Henderson

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Re :-    "Long and interesting but it underestimates the importace of a common faith/religion.It is also totally impractical with this "Public office,  both that held by politicians and officials, should be restricted to  those with four  grandparents  and two parents as nationals born and bred.  This should be done to prevent  any lack of focus because of  the danger of divided national loyalties."I qualify but my children and their children and grandchildren would not for my children were born while we worked overseas."          xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  But there is NO common faith or religion any more as a result of mass immigration, and to make matters worse for the host peoples, their religion and it's paraphernalia are discouraged in favour of alien ones, and in many instances by the very persons in positions of influence of the host peoples. In reality, they are traitors. Winterthal been made to replace Christmas, no Bibles in hospital b/side cabinets, Police premises to have prayer room for muslims to pray FIVE times a day, which in itself is time consuming but also the time before and after each prayer period, the minds will not be on work ( which is why they are employed and paid ! ).I am told, even in schools, lessons such as our history are either not allowed to be taught but to be replaced by that of others. And on a personal note ( and unlike some, I do not like to be personal in posts ), your off-spring are of your " tribe " and thus place of birth is immaterial.          And all what is going on to us and our country is while, by and large, those in control are of indigenous stock, but as is already happening, those not of the host tribe are demanding they alone be allowed to stand for Parliament, thus purposefully pushing aside /out, the host tribe. Thin end of the wedge.

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A bit more to think about. Whatever one thinks re the BNP, the fact is they are becoming the place of refuge. This is a letter posted onto another board on another publication. :-      "Posted by: John Solomon on 2:05pm Tue 25 Dec 07[quote] Youth 'critical' after shooting. A 17-year-old boy is in acritical but stable condition in a south London hospital after beingshot in the face. Police were called to Gartons Way, Wandsworth, at 1800GMT on Christmas Eve, after reports of a shooting. Scotland Yard's guncrime unit is investigating the attack. Officers believe the victim wasshot while he was inside a stationary vehicle. Two suspects, both blackmales wearing hooded tops, were seen leaving the scene on foot.[/quote]Can anybody tell me that these areas in London are now better places tolive, because of an influx of immigrants? 10 years ago I wasn't evenaware of the effects of immigration, and had never even visited the BNPwebsite. Five years ago, the area where I live began to become'enriched', and now I can see exactly where it's heading, as is the restof the country. That's why I voted BNP in the last election, and willcontinue to do so, as will millions of other Britons, who have nowhereleft to run. Why is it only white countries that have to acceptunbearable numbers of unwanted immigrants? Jack Black has summed it upvery well - the globalists want a one world government - they want todestroy all cultures, under the guise of 'multi' culturalism. They wantto dumb down the population of all white countries by flooding them withmillions of people from all over the planet, all from differentbackgrounds, different cultures, different ways of life, so that we, thepeople, will never again be able to feel like a GROUP, and willtherefore never be able to stand up against the totalitarians who wantto control us ALL. Apparently, any indigenous white community who wantto actually stay alive and keep their traditions and way of life intact,are 'full of hate'. So I presume that if ten million Europeans wereflooding into Africa every year, against the wishes of the vast majorityof the African population, and demanding that Africans translateeverything into English, French, German, Italian, etc. for them, anddemanding that Africans kowtow to Christianity, and demanding thatAfricans pay taxes to keep us living on welfare, etc. that any Africanwho dared to protest the pending destruction of his culture and hispeople, would be 'full of hate'. White people are waking up, all overthe world, and the continuing success of the BNP is testament to that.The BNP website gets more hits than any other political party's site.Despite being vilified constantly by every single television programmeand newspaper, it still gets more hits. How is that, unless the majorityagree with most of the BNP's policies? I'll leave you with a quote froma survey made a few weeks ago: [quote]"VOTERS yesterday delivered adamning verdict on Labour's shambolic immigration policy and demanded anannual cap on migrants. About three quarters of the population believethere should be a limit, with more than half of these saying it shouldbe as low as 10,000 a year. Almost two thirds think there are too manyimmigrants and the majority of people believe ministers are doing a poorjob over the issue."[/quote]

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