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Re :- " Where the problem lies, and I think the majority would agree, is the step-change caused by a massive influx.Excluding invaders, Britain has absorbed many groups quite happily and they have merged into, and modified, our way of life. This is fantastic. It's what has made Britain great.However when the numbers are overwhelming there is little opportunity for integration so parallel societies are established. That alone is what I don't like. "              xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx        I think the above is what most  feel. No-one as far as I am aware is against immigration per se but the extent thereof and the result, especially on the indig / current population. For  some to come in and push others out is immoral. And don't let's kid ourselves. The world doesn't come here 'cos they love us but for other reasons. Why do so many pass through several safe countries to get to GB. The present Govt. have lied to us consistently year after year on the subject and the numbers. Now they're getting the collywobbles as they find the indigs have rubbed their eyes and go by what they see and not what they are told. This Govt. will go down in history as the one who gave the country away and stabbed their own in the back in so doing. Sorry to tell some on this Forum, but that is the view held by  most people throughout the country.      Some hark on that we have always taken in asylum seekers. Quite so, but they were genuine and not bogus. Jack Straw said when he was Home Secretary ? that 70-80% were bogus and a friend works for a charity dealing with asylum seekers and in a very proper way, and who are embarrased with the opprobrium attaching to asylum seekers of whom they say only 2.5% are genuine. Plus of course, those in the past did not get welfare bens / housing etc. I suggest readers get hold of a copy of The Revised Tenancy Agreement 2001.

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Re :- " There are sufficient numbers of other ethnic groups to form their own forums. In theory that number can be as low as two.If, as we are led to believe, the population of the bourugh is around 300 000, and it's 60% British white, then we posters are a relatively insignificant part even of the 180 000 so-called ethnic majority.It seems there is only one area where total integration has been achieved - state benefits."        xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx      I think the Borough's population has gone beyond the 300,000 mark. Did I not read  the figure of 311K sometime but even then, that is based on KNOWN persons. We are well aware the UK and especially London in general and this borough in particular are special favourite places for those from overseas. A pakistani person I was talking to last year in Hanwell said the white indig % was in his opinion  at 25 !. He was also in favour of the introduction of Sharia Law into this country, so we had an interesting conversation on that subject. Even the stoning of women is acceptable in his opinion in certain circumstances. Officially I think the % of white British in the borough is MARGINALLY over 50, but again that is based on old outdated census figures of 2001 , even when millions present did not  submit their forms /  info., and why should anyone decline to identify themselves to the authorities. I think the de facto representation of white British in the L B of Ealing is well under 50% and is reducing all the time. One has only to see the composition in the school intake years to see the future.  All local authorities are complaining to Westminster that the monies allocated to them are not based on actual numbers but ficticious reduced ones, which THIS Govt. have to keep try to keep unknown as they now realise they are at risk at the polling stations. Dagenham East ??.

Tony Price ● 6861d

Re. my previous comment :- " I think the Borough's population has gone beyond the 300,000 mark. Did I not read  the figure of 311K sometime but even then, that is based on KNOWN persons. We are well aware the UK and especially London in general and this borough in particular are special favourite places for those from overseas."          xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  To back up my assertions re white brits becoming an endangered species, please see the following report, which is almost 12 months old, so matters have moved on since. AND bear in mind these figures are a) for KNOWN persons and b) those BORN overseas, to which must be added persons of ethnic origin born in the UK, who by looking at the composition of school children plus their parents if born here, could easily be more than the %'s in this extract. So to these figures  I suggest for those in categories a and b, a min % of 30 can be added. Perhaps the  post (  ers ) who regard me as an idiot will now have the decency to apologise ?    " Titled ‘Population Mobility and Service Provision’, the report shows immigrants are costing council tax payers at least £200 million a year with personal translators for immigrants costing £1,000 per year, per immigrant. With a growth in immigrants of about 100,000 per year this works out to tens of millions per year from council taxes to teach these new arrivals "who have come to enrich our culture" how to speak English!More millions are being forked out by council tax payers in "destitution payments" to gold diggers in the New Labour asylum process.The LSE report (LSE is one of the world's most respected academic bodies), spells out in no uncertain terms how schooling for native white British children is suffering as well as how enormous and totally unsustainable strain is placed on the British health and housing sectors. Social cohesion, in other words our culture and society, is being seriously threatened by the unchecked flood of immigrants with a council housing crisis in progress and taxes rising to unacceptable levels as a result of these freeloaders.At last the facts and the numbers are on the table.The report also reveals a population crisis and that in ten London boroughs, over a third of the population were born overseas with Brent a staggering 46.6%.Brent - 46.6 %Kensington and Chelsea - 44.6 %Westminster - 44.5 %Newham - 38.2 %Ealing - 37.3 %Haringey - 37.1 %Camden - 36.8 %Tower Hamlets - 34.7 %Hackney - 34.5 %Hammersmith and Fulham - 33.6 %        xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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Re:- "  a few more facts from which it will be seen that as London has approx 12% of the national total population, we have almost 4 times our share of persons of foreign origin. "        xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx           Fortunately Ealing is projected  near the bottom of the anticpated population growth for London Boroughs. I do take the table with a pinch of salt however as it is said to be based on recent trends, and as far as I can see Ealing has had a tremendous increase in the represention of non-white brits but I suppose that as the total of our population has not increased vastly, what has happened is the composition thereof, ie white brits have moved out as those of foreign origin have moved in.        xxxxxxxxxxxxxx  Kensington and Chelsea, Westminster and Camden will see the biggest population increases in the next couple of decades, according to data published by the Office for National Statistics. Kensington and Chelsea could see a 63 per cent increase in its population from 207,400 in 2006 to 337,600 people by 2029. In contrast, with an increase of only 6,300 Lewisham looks set to have the smallest population change. The data is based on trends over the last five years and makes assumptions for future levels of births, deaths and migration to show what the population will be if recent trends in these continue.City of London has not been included as the projections produced are not robust enough for such a small area. Source: 2004-based subnational population projections, Table 14, ONS, October 2006London Councils, 59?Southwark Street, London

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I suppose with 30 million faithful in Europe, due to double in 20 years, the following are necessary? :-            " The public face of Islam-is-Peace is campaign coordinator Yusra Khreegiand spokesman Ihtisham Hibatullah - both also high-profile figures inthe Muslim Association of Britain (MAB). Islam-is-Peace's website doesnot name the group's directors, and the group has refused to name any ofits 15-member leadership committee.Press releases on Islam-is-Peace issued by the Muslim Council of Britainand the British Muslim Initiative (a MAB offshoot run by Anas Altikriti)name Ihtisham Hibatullah as the group's media contact. Hibatullah islong-time Media Director for the MAB and has also acted as spokesman forthe BMI, using the same mobile phone number in all three capacities.When contacted by The Centre for Social Cohesion, Hibatullah said thatthe MAB supported but did not direct Islam-is-Peace, and that his owninvolvement was personally motivated. He refused to name the group'sleaders.The MAB is dominated by four men: founder Kamal Helbawy, formerpresident Anas Altikriti, spokesman Azzam Tamimi and former presidentMohammed Sawalha - all allegedly involved with the Muslim Brotherhood,including its Palestinian branch, Hamas.Egyptian-born Kamal Helbawy joined the Muslim Brotherhood at age twelve,and later served as its spokesman in Europe. He founded the MAB in 1997.Anas Altikriti is the son of Osama Altikriti, leader of the MuslimBrotherhood in Iraq.Azzam Tamimi, a Palestinian, worked as spokesman for the JordanianMuslim Brotherhood from 1989 to 1992. Ihtisham Hibatullah, the Islam-is-Peace spokesman, has described Tamimi as "one of our leadingpolitical thinkers and a leading member of the Association".Mohammed Sawalha fled the Palestinian territories for Britain in 1990,wanted by Israeli authorities for Hamas activism. From London, heallegedly raised and channelled funds for Hamas until 1993, when Israeliauthorities arrested one of his key operatives. "

Tony Price ● 6857d

For all those in peril on the land. A message from another publication with chilling warnings. It has never always been thus. During my time in Ealing, I have seen it deteriorate beyond belief, likewise very much so in the past 10 years.      xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx        "Posted by: John Solomon on 2:05pm Tue 25 Dec 07[quote] Youth 'critical' after shooting. A 17-year-old boy is in acritical but stable condition in a south London hospital after beingshot in the face. Police were called to Gartons Way, Wandsworth, at 1800GMT on Christmas Eve, after reports of a shooting. Scotland Yard's guncrime unit is investigating the attack. Officers believe the victim wasshot while he was inside a stationary vehicle. Two suspects, both blackmales wearing hooded tops, were seen leaving the scene on foot.[/quote]Can anybody tell me that these areas in London are now better places tolive, because of an influx of immigrants? 10 years ago I wasn't evenaware of the effects of immigration, and had never even visited the BNPwebsite. Five years ago, the area where I live began to become'enriched', and now I can see exactly where it's heading, as is the restof the country. That's why I voted BNP in the last election, and willcontinue to do so, as will millions of other Britons, who have nowhereleft to run. Why is it only white countries that have to acceptunbearable numbers of unwanted immigrants? Jack Black has summed it upvery well - the globalists want a one world government - they want todestroy all cultures, under the guise of 'multi' culturalism. They wantto dumb down the population of all white countries by flooding them withmillions of people from all over the planet, all from differentbackgrounds, different cultures, different ways of life, so that we, thepeople, will never again be able to feel like a GROUP, and willtherefore never be able to stand up against the totalitarians who wantto control us ALL. Apparently, any indigenous white community who wantto actually stay alive and keep their traditions and way of life intact,are 'full of hate'. So I presume that if ten million Europeans wereflooding into Africa every year, against the wishes of the vast majorityof the African population, and demanding that Africans translateeverything into English, French, German, Italian, etc. for them, anddemanding that Africans kowtow to Christianity, and demanding thatAfricans pay taxes to keep us living on welfare, etc. that any Africanwho dared to protest the pending destruction of his culture and hispeople, would be 'full of hate'. White people are waking up, all overthe world, and the continuing success of the BNP is testament to that.The BNP website gets more hits than any other political party's site.Despite being vilified constantly by every single television programmeand newspaper, it still gets more hits. How is that, unless the majorityagree with most of the BNP's policies? I'll leave you with a quote froma survey made a few weeks ago: [quote]"VOTERS yesterday delivered adamning verdict on Labour's shambolic immigration policy and demanded anannual cap on migrants. About three quarters of the population believethere should be a limit, with more than half of these saying it shouldbe as low as 10,000 a year. Almost two thirds think there are too manyimmigrants and the majority of people believe ministers are doing a poorjob over the issue."[/quote]

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A bit more for those who champion multi/culturalism / diversity from no less than an august body of the Church , Bishop of Rochester Michael Nazir-Ali fears no-go areas for non-MuslimsIslamic extremism in Britain is creating communities which are "no-go areas" for non-Muslims, a senior Church of England bishop warns.Bishop of Rochester The Rt Rev Dr Michael Nazir-Ali says non-Muslims face a hostile reception in places dominated by the ideology of Islamic radicals.He criticises the doctrine of multiculturalism for creating separate communities which fail to integrate in to the mainstream of society.In a wide-ranging attack, Bishop Nazir-Ali compares intimidation by Muslim radicals to that by far-Right extremists.Writing for The Sunday Telegraph, he condemns the failure to give privilege to the established church which he says has led to a "multi-faith mish-mash".He says the integration agenda pursued by the government "lacks...a moral and spiritual vision."Dr Nazir-Ali questions whether elements of Sharia law are applicable in Britain and confronts directly the use of loudspeakers on mosques to spread the call to prayer.He writes: "...there has been a worldwide resurgence of the ideology of Islamic extremism. One of the results of this has been to further alienate the young from the nation in which they were growing up and also to turn already separate communities into "no-go" areas where adherence to this ideology has become a mark of acceptability."Shadow home secretary Tory David Davis said the Government's actions risked creating a "voluntary apartheid".He said: "Bishop Nazir-Ali has drawn attention to a deeply serious problem. The Government's confused and counter-productive approach risks creating a number of closed societies instead of one open, cohesive one - a voluntary apartheid. It generates the risk of encouraging radicalisation and creating home-grown terrorism."

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I find it very hard to understand what you just said.  I would certainly regard the Scots, for example, as INHABITANTS of these isles, while the Shetlands and the Isle of White could more accurately be classed as MEMBERS.  But let's for a moment assume that you are simply struggling with our great English Language rather than a raving loon.  (By the way I have often found immigrants from the subcontinent to be an excellent source of English coaching.  Due to our shared history and culture in the English Language, and the fact that they typically receive a more formal style of education, I have found that people from India and Pakistan often employ a more accurate, if florid, style of English.I am not aware of handing over any part of my country to a "grabber" from abroad, although it has come to my attention that a large department store in Knightsbridge is now owned by a person of Egyptian origin.  I know that our rulers have historically not been English, with Richard the Lionheart unable to speak our language, Queen Victoria being of German descent and Winston Churchill half american, so perhaps that is what you mean.Perhaps you are standing up for our rights to be the offspring of invasion, mass immigration, rape and pillage - but only on the condition that it happened (a) more than a few hundred years ago and (b) by people with light coloured skin.And let us not forget, sir, that a lot of the glory of our country, its prestige and certainly its wealth, is built on the craven exploitation of the inhabitants of our former empire.  While I'm all up for looking a bit more deeply at our colonial history, and wouldn't share the view that the results of our empire have been entirely negative, I think even you would find it hard to describe the slaves who were shipped from Liverpool and Bristol as being improved by their interactions with the British.It is certainly the case that there are important discussions to be had around immigration, especially the sense of injustice felt by white people (or indigs as you delightfully refer to them), especially those at the poorer end of the scale, who have felt themselves deprived of services in favour of more recent immigrants - however I would suggest that writing incomprehensible posts on internet forums, SHOUTING IN BLOCK CAPITALS and making unjustified and probably inaccurate statements is not the best way to spark that debate.In fact - on reflection - are you in fact a plant, put here by Citizen Ken and his town hall cronies - to paint the picture that anyone who doesn't wholeheartedly support open borders and free immigration is a total loon who can't express himself in his own language?  I think we should be told...

Leon Markham ● 6842d