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AlanFirst of all I will answer your points:(A) Heathrow would certainly not be built where it is today if it dod not exist already. But it is there,it causes immense problems so why should we make things worse by making it much bigger?(B)A recent economic study by CE Delft of The Netherlands demonstrates conclusively that the economic effect of Heathrow Expansion has been greatly exaggerated and may in fact be negative.(C) London would be prosperous without Heathrow Expansion. London has 4 other airports- Gatwick, Stanstead, City and Luton, it has Eurostar, it has high speed rail links, it has motorways and it has ports. It has swift links to other airports such as Southampton, Bristol and Birmingham and executive jet airports such as Hendon and Biggin Hill.London existed and was properous for 2000 years before Heathrow and will be properous without Heathrow Expansion.(D) Historically Heathrow has been responsible for importing workers into London from all over the world.West London has full employment and does not need more jobs at Heathrow. In contrast, if 10,000 jobs were cut at Heathrow tomorrow the workers would be swiftly employed elsewhere in West London or, depending on their skills, elsewhere.(E) Money spent in Ealing by airport employees would still be spent in Ealing except the employees may be working elsewhere e.g in Ealing.(F) How many of the new jobs created by Heathrow Expansion would be filled by Ealing residents?(G)17% of CO2 emissions come from aviation. Aviation CO2 emissions are growing rapidly globally and are a major contributor to global warming. Aviation also causes other forms of emissions and poluutions. For example, aircraft dump fuel and human waste into the atmosphere above our heads every day. What goes up, must come down(H)Modern aircraft are less noisy and less polluting than older ones. However they are bigger and more expensive.An aircarft has a life of 20 to 30 years, therefore in 20 years time many aircraft will still be flying which are not as clean and noisy as the very newest Airbus or the newest Boeing. Many old, dirty, noisy Boeing 737's, 747's, 757's, 777's and Airbuses will still be flying. There may even be a few BAe HS 146's, DC-10's, Tristars or even Tupolovs !(I) The Government proposes to increase the number of flights from 480,000 to 700,000. That must inevitably lead to more pollution, emission and noise.(J) The 3rd Runway will bring more flights over Ealing because it is further North.(K) Some of the money spent in the shops in Heathrow would in fact be spent in the shops in West London if the shops at Heathrow did not exist. I don't go to Heathrow to do my shopping, but it is a huge shopping centre.(L) One-third of passengers landing at Heathrow are transit pasengers and do not enter the UK so their economic benefit to the UK is marginal.(M) London existed and was prosperous 2000 years before Heathrow. It will continue to be prosperous without Heathrow Expansion.The prosoperity of London does not depend on Heathrow. Other factors are much more important.This is what of what I wrote to the Secretary of State for Transport, Ruth Kelly MP, today:"I wish to express my strong opposition to any expansion at or of London Heathrow Airport.1. I am particularly concerned  regarding  the increased carbon emissions, increased aircraft noise and increased pollution that the building of a Third Runway would cause not only in the London area, but elsewhere in the world. 2. The Government's plans to expand Heathrow are directly contrary to the Government's objectives for achieving carbon dioxide and other emission reductions.   3. In addition, the plans will cause gridlock on the M4 and M25 and draw more aircraft and vehicle traffic into already over-crowded and congested London and the South-East of England. 4. It will lead to a serious reduction of air quality all over London and the surrounding counties. 5. It will constitute a much increased threat to the health, safety and security of millions of people in London and the South-East of England.6. It will bring little or no economic benefit to London and the South-East of England and indeed will cause economic losses and costs in other parts of England, Scotland and Wales as it represents yet a further centralisation and concentration of international transport links and infrastructure in the crowded London and the South East.7. Having lived in Chiswick since 1974, I am also opposed to the ending of runaway alteration, the proposal to end the Cranford Agreement which prevents flights taking off to the East from the Northern Runaway and the continuance of night flights.8. The Government's document "Adding Capacity at Heathrow" is intentionally and deliberately difficult to understand and to respond to. However I have read it carefully and as a result, I remain totally unconvinced by the case put by the Government or by anyone else for the Expansion of Heathrow. The Government has failed to convince me and many millions of others that there is a sound environmental, transport or economic argument for expanding Heathrow.9. All of these points will have been made to you already by many others. However, as a Christian, born like you in Ireland and being in the Catholic tradition, there are some other points I would like you to consider.10. I am extremely concerned about the effect that the Government's proposals will have on the areas surrounding Heathrow and in particular the destruction of the communities of Sipson and Harmondsworth. Last Sunday, my wife,my sister and I visited Sipson and Harmondsworth, and we were appalled by the effect the Government’s proposed Heathrow Expansion will have on these two small but important and functional communities.11. Sipson is a modern village north of the A4 and South of the M4 which nevertheless is a community which is home to several hundred families. It will be destroyed in order to make way for the Third Runway. No amount of money can compensate the people of Sipson for the destruction of their homes, their neighbourhood, their neighbourly relations, their friendships  or their way of life12. Harmondsworth is a very ancient village which contains a manor house, many pre-twentieth century houses, several pubs and shops, two primary schools and modern houses. It also contains the Harmondsworth Great Barn, a unique 15th Century masterpiece and listed building, and the Church of St Mary the Virgin, the Parish Church for Harmondsworth, Sipson and Longford, which is also a listed building. 13. When we arrived last Sunday the church door was open, the organ was playing and we went in. We were warmly greeted by a lady who told us that there had been a Church in the site since 1067. She turned on the lights and invited us to view this wonderful small, old Church which has impressive stained glass windows, a proper pipe organ, Lady Chapel, antique pews and furniture, many plaques and a marvellous personality. She told us that if Runway 3 and Terminal 6 are built, the Church would be within the Heathrow Airport perimeter and possibly airside, which means that it would be totally cut off from the Parish and the communities it has served for nearly 1000 years. She told us that, like many in the Parish, she had worked at Heathrow Airport herself. 14. We then met the Parish Priest, Rev. Canon Awatu Onundu Christian-Iwuagwu. Canon Amatu had only arrived in Harmondsworth just before Christmas. He told us he originally came from South- Eastern Nigeria where he was taught as a child and believed that English people had a great Christian history and heritage which they valued greatly. He was therefore very shocked to learn what was being proposed for his Parish. He pointed out that the bell in the church tower was the prototype for Big Ben in the Palace of Westminster and that the extensive churchyard contains graves going back hundreds of years. All of these graves would have to be removed to facilitate the Expansion of Heathrow, causing great distress to the relatives of those buried there.15. Even if the Church and the Barn are preserved, if they are incorporated with the Airport perimeter or if the runaway is built near them, they and their purposes will effectively be destroyed. It will only be a matter of time before they are destroyed by the physical forces exerted by aircraft taking off, landing and taxiing and all of the other forces at work within a busy airport. In my view this would be a barbaric act worthy of the Taliban, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Nicolae Caeusescu, Mao Tse-Tung, Hitler or Stalin. Do you want to be associated with such barbarians ? I think not.16. In view of the fact that you are a practicing Roman Catholic, I am appalled by the fact that you would sanction such a threat to a wonderful and unique  Church built long before the Reformation. I recommend that you pay Harmondsworth a visit, meet the Parish Priest, visit the Church and stay for a while and pray for guidance.17. I have noted that this Expansion has been opposed by the Conservative Party, by the Liberal Democrat Party, by the Green Party, by the 2M Group of Councils representing all eight West London boroughs, Slough, Spelthorne, South Buckinghamshire and Windsor and Maidenhead, by a majority of the members of the Institute of Directors (of which I am one), by a majority of London businesses, by the Greater London Assembly, by all 4 London Mayoral candidates including the Labour Party candidate, by many Labour MP’s including Government ministers and former ministers, peers, councillors, members and voters, by Greenpeace, by Friends of the Earth and by a very wide number of organisations and groups of varying political views and none. 18. Based on this wide opposition and the overwhelming arguments against your Government’s proposal for the expansion of Heathrow, in my view your Government will find it very difficult to secure Parliamentary for its proposals and would be well advised to withdraw them forthwith.I wish my strong objections and opposition to be formally noted and I look forward to receiving your response."

David Giles ● 6792d

Thank you for you comments David.It strikes me that much of the objection is noise (in my back yard). It strikes me that the only real increase in noise in Chiswick would be additional Piccadilly line trains. Thankfully Concorde is no longer flying. That aircraft going over my son's school in Barnes was something else.The effect of CO2 , possibly causing significant global warming, is a red herring but is  useful in promoting the cause.Overloading West London? My feeling is that Ealing is two steps away from being a slum. The housing stock in central Ealing is generally old and soon will become time-expired.Most of it is two storey and could usefully be replaced by multi-storey flats. Some of the newer (post-war)housing stock appears to be of dubious quality.I lived in Harlington (just north of Heathrow) in 1974 and 1975. If the whole area became a runway or a car park or Disneyland it would be an improvement. It was **** then and it hasn't improved since. I agree there are one or two buildings which are worth saving but they can be disassembled and rebuilt elsewhere if necessary.Before and after my adventure to the periphery of London I have lived in Ealing. Aircraft noise has always been a feature of the place, whether it was Merlins on an AVRO York, turbo-props on Vickers, or jet engines.I can almost understand why people were against the West London Tram - the loss of vehicle noise along Uxbridge Road!I am actually 6 months older than Heathrow Airport and have lived near it ever since. Its activities over seven decades have never really bothered me but in that time it has gone from a line of Nissen huts along A4 to a world class transport centre. It needs to stay there.This country is running on borrowed time and money. We don't  do enough manufacturing. Most of the money churn in this country is state, internal services, and the like. Our major source of foreign income is the City (of London). Without that this country will be dead in the water. And it won't matter whether Heathrow has only one grass runway, nobody will be using it.

Alan Brainsby ● 6792d

Adrian,        Many houses and buildings in central Ealing, and elsewhere in London, are upwards of 100 years old. Some are well built and some aren't. One only has to look at some of the structures along Uxbridge Road to see subsidence and lack of maintenance.Certainly some dwellings have been well restored by their owners, and probably at considerable cost. But fundamentally the buildings are old and can never be brought up to modern standards of insulation or "disability friendliness" or whatever the government is trying on. It's noticeable that when chimney pots collapse in earthquakes most fall from old properties, ie pre-WW1. Even 1930s bay windows are beginning to detach from the house.Most of the older properties are rich on rear garden space but poor on parking space. Newer properties, 1930s onwards, are likely to have garages.What I am suggesting is updating the housing stock and also making better use of the land available - 3-storey town houses with the garage in the ground floor. With very few exceptions we don't drive around in cars which are 50 or more old. We tend to drive fuel-efficient, practical hatchbacks.I envy you for having lived in a Tudor house but would they be practical "en masse" in Ealing? Possibly with thatched roofs. My goodness, this forum would be full of the latest conflagrations! Ealing Dean destroyed! When will  the tram services resume? Hundreds homeless! Did anyone see a plume of black smoke over Little Ealing? Stop the expansion of Ealing Fire Station! Ealing hospital overwhelmed by sufferers of smoke inhalation!Of course with the buildings gone nice new ones could be built!Hope this, at least in part, explains some of my thinking.

Alan Brainsby ● 6792d

I can remember visiting London Airport (now Heathrow) as a teenager after the war, when, literally, air transport was taking off. At that time Heathrow was in a rural setting. Now it is surounded by urban development which, over the intervening decades has moved inexorably West. It is doubtful that there are any people living in the vicinity of Heathrow now,who lived there before the development began. I believe that it is reasonable to suggest that those who live there now actually knew that an international airport was in the vicinity, and that there were certain givens attached to that fact. One is that there is ambiant noise attached to its operation, and that if they can not live  and cope with that reality, they can move away. Do the residents of the boroughs in close proximity to Heathrow really expect that they have the right to limit development that has been ongoing over sixty years. I also live next to an international airport, albeit smaller than Heathrow, and it was my choice to live there. I had the freedom to find some other locality in which to live, and no one prevented me making that choice. Stop your winging and get some perspective on the matter. Progress is necessary or the very people who are objecting to and attempting to stop the Heathrow development would not be currently enjoying modern lighting, roads, communications et al, as progress is inevitable as well as necessary. How the people of Ealing can get their knickers in a twist when the approach and take off paths for all the runways at Heathrow mean that the aircraft are well to the South of the Borough, and offer no intrusion on their enjoyment of life, is a mystery to me. Gosh, I feel better for that.

Kevin John Brennan ● 6789d

One of the impressions that I am getting is that there could be an underlying phobia being demonstrated by those opponents to the development of Heathrow Airport. That phobia seems to centre around the notion of isolationism. The opponants seem to be suggesting that the U.K. limits access to that 'green and pleasent land' by ignoring the fact that, with the increase in the world population, more people wish to put their feet on British soil. They are not wanting to stay there and make a take over, they want to see the culture, the history, the architecture and all the other iconic features that are contained in Britain. Yes, that external desire puts a pressure on the country and the people of Britain. It also brings great advantages and wealth to Britian. I take Colin's point that it is possibly the tollerence levels, or lack of them, that now exist. It seems the world is changing too fast for some people, and that the Luddite view still exists in all generations where change occurs at a rate which is beyond their tollerence levels. The millions of people who enter the U.K each year, the majority through Heathrow, bring economic gain to the whole country, and, yes, as previously stated, it comes at a price. The present generations have piggybacked on the challenges that previous generations have had to face when 'progress' confronted them. Do they now want to call a halt because it is their turn. Change is inevitable and ongoing. A reasonable cost seems to be to develop an existing facility rather that construct an entirely new one. As we do not have either the time or infrastructure to return to long distance travel by sea, the only practical way of crossing the world is by aircraft, and, brothers and sister, 'there aint no going back'.

Kevin John Brennan ● 6788d