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My advice to anyone in Ealing who are homeless or about to be, would be to copy this and other reports. Then take it along with you to the homeless persons unit, and DEMAND... yes DEMAND equal treatment/consideration when they are interviewing you.  After all we are supposed to live in an equal society aren't we? A petition should be raised demanding their resignation for maladministration, because it is alleged that there were cheaper alternatives, one in the same street and a further 4 nearby.This is the appreciation shown to our generosity, it's too big and she doesn't like cleaning. Can I suggest that this 20 year old gets off his arse and does it for her!"Toorpakai Saindi, who has seven children, has been granted an estimated £400 a week in child and local tax benefits, while her landlord receives £12,458 a month because there is no other suitable property available.Mrs Saindi, who has four sons and three daughters aged eight to 22, approached Ealing Council in west London in July after being made homeless. The authority has a legal obligation to find her a seven-bedroom home. The mother, who came to the UK from Afghanistan seven years ago, said: "I always thought the housing benefit was a lot, but I'm told that is what it is for homes like this here." She added: "It's a lot of money, but the council pay it. This is their problem. I don't know why they pay so much."The council says both the benefit and rent payouts are set by central government. Her son Jawad Saindi, 20, said although it felt like they had won the lottery, his mother complains that the house is too big to clean.

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I must admit after reading it I felt such rage that I couldn't bring myself to initially comment on it. I do believe that we have a responsibility to help those in need, but with the amount of poverty in this country already, we need to look after our own first. And how in need can they be if they are able to afford Wii's, plasmas (plural), mobiles etc etc. Why would this woman or her husband bother working when a working wage would mean an automatic cut in benefits? My parents came to this country in the 60's - they never asked for anything from anyone, they worked hard - and eventually (with both of them working two jobs) were able to afford a place big enough for my sisters and I. They were grateful that this country gave them the oppertunity to be able to do that. Many migrants that come to this country, thankfully still have this ethic - and then you get familes like this, playing the system for all its worth - of course - this does not just go for migrants - there was a recent case of another family from England, with an inordinate amount of kids doing the same - again, they had no intention of getting jobs - why would they?Meanwhile ordinary people struggle to earn a wage that barely covers the amount of tax we have to pay now. Polititians are too scared to tackle the obvious immigration issue - and until they do, the more impressionale and stupid of our society will begin to believe that they have no option but to vote for the far right to get the issue into the public domain.

Trizia Fiorellino ● 6561d

This is the damage limitation statement from the Ealing council website.-------------------------------------------------------------"Council statement on housing benefits case.There has been extensive media coverage over the last two days about a family of eight living in Acton who have their £2,875 per week rent paid for them as housing benefit.The council believes the story highlights some of the absurdities of the housing and benefit system. Although the money is paid by central government and does not come from Ealing Council Tax payments, it is still public money and ultimately all taxpayers lose out.In this specific case, the family came to the council asking for housing as they were homeless. The council had a legal obligation to help them. The government sets national rules about what type of accommodation is appropriate and how much rent can be paid to landlords.  The Department for Work and Pensions told us to house this family in a seven-bedroom property.What will surprise and anger people is that the government publishes these rent levels so landlords are fully aware of the maximum levels that can be paid. In cases such as this, where there are very few seven-bedroom properties, landlords will obviously seek the absolute maximum. This clearly puts the council, the government and taxpayers at a significant disadvantage.The council believes that urgent changes are needed to the government’s system and that the publication of maximum rent levels should be ended. This would enable all councils to be able to negotiate more competitive rent agreements."

Peter Wright ● 6557d

Re  This is the damage limitation statement from the Ealing council website.-------------------------------------------------------------"Council statement on housing benefits case.        xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx      Which is a load of tripe. It does not say the Council have to find the most efficient / reasonable/ cheapest place available which must be the situation, stated or implied. How did the Dept. of Works and Pensions get involved, I doubt they did, so how could they have instructed Ealing Council specifically, which is what the Council's response implies. How did this family become to be homeless, was that gone into by the Council and what lies behind the fact the house is owned by a Pakistani relative ( believed to be an uncle and it may well be this alleged Aghan family are in reality Pakistanis themselves ). I suspect their homelessness was a put up job so they could be placed in their relative's house ( who must own others ) and he to screw the absolute max out of taxpayers, so was this house brought to the attention of the Council, if so, then my contention is more or less proven. Or did the Council " find " the house themselves, if so, why did they not also find the others that Peter? found yesterday at a much cheaper rent. The whole business stinks from beginning to end, the beginning probably starting in Pakistan 7-8 years ago . Maybe we should ask MPs Slaughter and Pound to get this FULLY investigated and implement moves to stop / unearth / close all existing abuses of OUR money.

Tony Price ● 6557d

Re  Where do you get the information that the tenants are related to the landlord? I think this is unlikely to be incorrect as the tenants are Muslims and the landlord has a Sikh name.            zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz        I assume this question is directed at me?, and the answer is it was stated the first day the news broke, which I learned on BBC News on the 8th Oct.so I assume it was stated then. He is Pakistani and supposed to be an uncle and it transpires these " Aghans " got their visas to the UK in Islamabad in Pakistan. There was a programme on TV a few years back exposing a scam whereby Pakistanis in their own country were obtaining visas to the UK but making out they were Afghans fleeing that country,  who why having safely got to Pakistan they felt the need to come all the way to an alien country  / culture/ climate etc etc  escapes me.       In looking back through the newspaper articles, given by friends, I find another interesting case which may also need similar investigation. Remember that delightful cleric Omar Bakri who was here on benefits with his wife and multi children but who fled to Lebanon when he was to be incarcerated for preaching death and destruction to we infidels, his wife who wanted to live a relatively free lifestyle as she had enjoyed here, found life in Lebanon made too restrictive by him, so rows ensued between them to such an extent he divorced her in favour of a much much younger model, half the wife's age apparently and younger than his daughter, and told his wife to go back to England, which she has done. She is now living in a taxpayer funded house in Edmonton where her new husband from Pakistan runs a business. Whether any or all the children returned to England is not stated but if not, then the religious cleric has a daughter older than his wife. When he was here he and his family cost us £300.000 in benefits.

Tony Price ● 6556d

Re  Sorry to bore you with the details but this is England 2008, what it will be like in ten years..who knows,       xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx      Not boring reading Andrew, but a mixtures of fury and compassion are evoked. As to what it will be in 10 years time is why I suggested in a previous post to buy the then forthcoming Ealing Gazette ( 17th Oct issue), knowing it would have  details ( photos ) of this year's new intake in the Borough's schools. I have bought it and my fears were well founded. To all intents and purposes, WE no longer exist, because those in the photos are the future citizens and in which we and ours hardly feature.  Our Borough has been given away, our capital city has been given away and likewise, large parts of our country. All in the supposed interests of mythical multi-culturalism, which is the biggest con ever foisted on this country. Any fool can give away large chunks of one of the hitherto best countries in the world, doesn't need much intelligence to do that but just guile , cunning and deceit, the effects of which we are now seeing, suffering from and also having to pay for. It all goes back to the '60's and before when the lefties tried to bust capitalism by strikes ( remember Red Robbo ) and having failed that way, set about infiltrating various aspects of our institutions and to slowly but surely undermine our way of life, which the Politically (In)correct are doing so effectively. How many aspects of our culture have been done away with " so as not to upset the ethnics ".

Tony Price ● 6556d

Re In other words you have taken a half understood item of news ( half, fully if what was " said " is true, but in any event must be something able to be checked )that you recall from several weeks ago,( one actually ) made a number of unsupported assumptions ( oh, and what were they, as far as I am aware I made NO assumptions at all )in order to imply criminality on the part of this family. ( I haven't tried to imply criminality, but that certain aspects need checking out )That most Afghan refugees would seek asylum status in Islamabad is not something that would should surprise anyone. ( why not, I would expect them to seek asylum from within their own country, but if when reaching a safe place, to stay there. What has the UK got that Pakistan hasn't ? )At no point did this family ask to be housed in a property that cost £12,000 a month.( how do you know but one could reasonably expect that being party to ripping off taxpayers, they would reject the offer in favour of something more cost effective ) If you exclude housing benefit they get just over £20,000 which is not an over generous amount of money to provide for a family of eight. I don't, and I would bet you don't, know the reasons why this family felt they had to move to this country.( they did not HAVE to, they chose to, self evident and why don't they go back now their country is safe ) It is entirely possible that they had to come here because they would have been killed if they stayed in their own country. ( not at all, they would have been safe in Pakistan )The scandal of this case is not that some people from Afghanistan have been given a nice house to live in but that the system is being milked by opportunist landlords and the authorities have been negligent in not stopping this happening. In your discreditable attempt to personally malign this family you have completely missed the point about the issue. ( I have not tried to malign them, the media have seen to that,  although I think there could well be aspects worth looking into in the public interest and perhaps you need to explain why you are so much in favour of their behaviour. And what steps have they taken to move into cheaper places, now knowing that such exist )

Tony Price ● 6556d

“In other words you have taken a half understood item of news that you recall from several weeks ago, made a number of unsupported assumptions in order to imply criminality on the part of this family. That most Afghan refugees would seek asylum status in Islamabad is not something that would should surprise anyone.  At no point did this family ask to be housed in a property that cost £12,000 a month. If you exclude housing benefit they get just over £20,000 which is not an over generous amount of money to provide for a family of eight. I don't, and I would bet you don't, know the reasons why this family felt they had to move to this country. It is entirely possible that they had to come here because they would have been killed if they stayed in their own country.The scandal of this case is not that some people from Afghanistan have been given a nice house to live in but that the system is being milked by opportunist landlords and the authorities have been negligent in not stopping this happening. In your discreditable attempt to personally malign this family you have completely missed the point about the issue.” I often sit and wonder, now that I am in my dotage how people can be so naive, and to what planet you liberal minded people reside on. First of all isn’t it a fact that those seeking asylum should seek it at the first safe country they come to why come this far? Where else in the world could or would this situation happen, where newly arrived, whatever their status, would be treated preferentially over the indigenous people. There are also many large families here, who work and slog their guts out, who would just love to have not £20,000 as you suggest but £30,000, a family of 10 were recently reported to be living on £15,000 which the husband "WORKS" for. My father-in-law (now deceased) had 9 children in a very small house; the only help he got was child benefit, no £20,000 or the equivalent for him, he slogged his guts out on night work and took on a day job as well. Wake up man for Christ sake, can’t you see that we are all being taken for a ride, this is an island with a predicted population of 70,000,000 by 2030, people in low paid work especially on the minimum wage of £5.50 an hour, are struggling to keep themselves afloat, many others are being made redundant, and or in fear of losing their homes. These are the people who we should be concerned about…….when we have done so, and have spare capacity, then we can perhaps concern ourselves about the rest of the world., most of them hate our guts anyway, but like Abu Hamza, and Omar Bakri just love the colour of our money, which you caring liberals are quite happy to throw at them. This family did ask for  a larger house, and council officials provided it, so those who have been waiting in the queue can forget it!”I don't, and I would bet you don't, know the reasons why this family felt they had to move to this country. It is entirely possible that they had to come here because they would have been killed if they stayed in their own country”I won’t answer the above for Tony, but you don’t have to be a genius to work that one out, here’s just a few, “generous benefits £30,000 tax free, which you would have to earn almost £40,000 to clear that amount. No rent or Council Tax, I don’t know about utility bills, free health care, which taxpayers have to pay for, education for their children, and one wonders what contribution the absent father makes. Had you not noticed that our services are collapsing around our ears, children being held back while immigrant children are taught English! Check how many languages are now having to be translated into English. Can I also take it, (forgive me if I'm wrong), that you have never had to live in some hovel of a so called B&B, having to wait while social services ignore you, watching while they fall over themselves being PC. Yes you liberal luvvies have got a lot to answer for.........phew call a doctor....Oh! I forgot, they don't work week-ends do they. .

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I am personally delighted to be accused, for the first time in my life, of being a 'liberal luvvy'. This has caused much mirth amongst my friends and family. Relative to many contributors to this thread perhaps I do appear to be a liberal but I can assure you that amongst normal people I am firmly to the right of centre. To me a conservative mindset should also require respect for the rights of the individual and primacy for the due process of law. Much of this thread has become a personal attack on a family whose only offence has been to take advantage of an asylum system which has been in place in this country since the 18th century.  People who have no knowledge whatsoever of their personal circumstance have assumed that they are economic migrants here only to milk the benefits system. Tony Price has even gone as far to make a total false and libellous accusation against them in suggesting that they are related to the landlord. In my view such behaviour is not the British way of doing things.The ethnicity of the people being given the seven bedroom house is completely irrelevant. The hijacking of this issue by people who are obsessed with race has served to obfuscate the real issue that hundreds of thousands of tax payers' money is been fiddled out of government hands by a system which delivers no value for money whatsoever. By making the issue simply one about foreign people getting a free house the lunatic fringe are increasing the chances that nothing will be done about the rent system in this country.

Andy Jones ● 6554d

" Much of this thread has become a personal attack on a family whose only offence has been to take advantage of an asylum system which has been in place in this country since the 18th century."Yes take advantage of us, the mugs who have no say as to how our tax is spent and who on. In the 18th century, there were no benefits to be exploited, no free houses, health care etc. The difference is, they had to work for a living. I do notice  that you show no sympathy for our own people, who are being pushed even further down the list. No comment either on why these people travel through many safe countries to get here, cant be the weather.....can it? When these people show respect for our democracy, culture and way of life, then they may find that the indigenous population will tolerate them. In their position I would be grateful to the country that gave me the opportunity to be treated more equally than those born and bred here. Instead we have the constant harping about THEIR RIGHTS without the slightest understanding as to how they were won. To give any able bodied person(s) £20,000 without as much as a blink of an eye, whilst our own pensioners are denied a pension, that would allow them to keep warm in the winter, is nothing but a disgrace. But I suspect that it has not even crossed your mind has it>Some of them have struggled through wars, and brought up fanilies with sheer hard work. And what happens when they become reliant on residential health care, they have to sell their homes to pay for it. Yes we are a caring compassionate country to everybody........except our own. My elderly sister died last year of lung cancer, she lived on her own, and was becoming weak and not eating, when I rang social  services, they told me that if she had savings she would have to pay for it, this after working all of her life. YES! AND I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE DELIGHTED.......I HOPE THAT IN YEARS TO COME YOUR CARING ATTITUDE WON'T COME BACK TO HAUNT YOU WHEN YOUY FIND YOURSELF OR A LOVED ONE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PILE.

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John,That's why you now have to prefix every statement with "I'm not a racist but"....why should you or I, feel that we have to?You are absolutely right. Just read some of the views on this and other forums. You dare not mention anything remotely connected to race, asylum, immigration both legal and illegal, which by the way, as a reminder we have no idea exactly how many, or worse still who they are. If there is no discussions then we are really in trouble. You may have read some of Iftikhar Ahmad's racist bile, and yet it is tolerated. What this man says's is moderate though, compared to some of the extremists and their views who are among us, but apparently that is acceptable. We really are mugs for allowing this abuse of our hard won freedoms.Adolf Hitler and his massive army, could not take our land, but we have now been invaded, without as much as turning a hair. The millions who  sacrificed their lives in defeating him, will be turning in their graves at the way we have handed over our country.Just to clarify my position, we have for many centuries been a haven for the oppressed, and they have been assimilated into our society, immigration (legal) is a good thing if controlled, our hospitals and care homes would probably collapse without them. But for  years we have the other side, where young men, mostly unskilled are waiting at Calais to smuggle themselves here, which if they succeed puts a terrific strain on our services. And the French as usual, want to pass the buck on to us. Our government stand by and watch and do nothing.

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None of the posts any of us have made could be considered racial.The problem is we are culturists.The underlying British culture is freedom of speech, fair play and tolerance for the common good. We are not so tolerant as to accept freeloaders and those who wish to set up parallel societies at our expense.Whilst I think it is rather pleasant to have manifestations of different cultures in our country the bedrock culture should be British. Foreign culture, as religion is, a personal affair and should be kept at a distance from the mainstream British culture.This country had enough problems when immigration was from the ex-colonies but those cultures didn't really impact on Britishness and only did where common ground and commonsense prevailed.Multicultural societies don't seem to work - look at the problems in Africa where various tribes were lumped together to form colonial countries. As soon as the common colonial culture was removed, whether British, French, Portugese, or whatever, those countries fell into civil war.The last thing we need in this country is civil war and I think slowly but surely we, and much of Europe, is going towards that scenario. The critical mass for that to happen has not been achieved yet, but if we have a prolonged economic downturn then the employed will be squeaking about phenomenal tax increases whilst the indigenous unemployed "nationals" will be squeaking about work being done by non-nationals. It has already been noted by a government minister, I can't remember his name, that civil unrest may well occur because of the current economic climate.Whether that happens is down to governments to manage the situation very carefully. Mindful of the "global credit crunch" I don't have a great deal of hope.

Alan Brainsby ● 6549d

OK Sara, perhaps I should have said raceright. But I didn't and won't. Whether the indigenous population is Roman, Saxon, Norman, and whatever else, is irrelevant - unless one can find a purebred in this country, which I doubt. There is a vast difference between those in this country  whose parents brought them up in the traditions of this society and those that have just appeared in the last few years.Entrance to the professions does require the criteria you stated, and a very good memory.Taking the medical profession, as I am not so familiar with the legal or religious, unfortunately those are not the criteria required to practise that profession.  My experience of the medical profession is both as a co-worker and customer.The requirements for a medical doctor are:1) Good memory and recall - found in all doctors2) Intelligence - found in fewer doctors3) Commonsense - found in even fewer doctors4) Communication skills - I won't answer this other than    to say why do Ealing Hospital's out-patient forms ask   whether one needs a translator.    Why? Doesn't the doctor speak English? It is noticeable that most of the medical scams and errors in this country, eg GP call-outs, misdiagnoses, etc, are attributed to doctors whose names would not suggest a long UK heritage.As a side-note I was told there was a backlog of patients at an out-patients clinic. The chief consultant of that clinic as the receptionist to filter out all the non-Indian patients and tell them to come back another day.Putting it bluntly, most doctors are cr*p, but the cr*p is not evenly distributed.

Alan Brainsby ● 6548d

Re  Re  I have a nice 7 bedroom house, 2 reception rooms 2 kitchens and a lovely 100 ft garden. Property located in the leafy suburbs of Acton. Rent £12,458 per calendar month. No time wasters need apply        xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx        it is now well over 3 months since the first post was made re this abuse and as far as I am aware, it still continues. Taxpayers being ripped off by a greedy landlord and our hospitality being taken for a good old ride by this family, to whom we owe nothing in any way shape or form but who continue to live like Ladies and Lords at horrendous rent in the second most expensive City in the world, all found with no worries re anything, whereas we read today this piece from The Telegraph, and my blood boils at the gross unfairness meeted out to the hardworking indigenous souls of this country :-        "Economics predicts that the number of people out of work will rise to3.5m – some 11pc of the workforce. John Philpott, Chartered Instituteof Personnel and Development chief economist, said: "You can'tnecessarily judge the full picture from the redundancies that we'reseeing. "A lot of jobs will also be lost by simply not re-hiring staffwhen they leave. The redundancies are just the tip of the iceberg."          xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx        May " justice " come to those concerned in abusing our hospitality and those who allow them to do so. I know my attitude upsets some on this Forum but I feel justified with my beliefs.

Tony Price ● 6466d