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"It now seems swamped by aggressive polemicists and racists and is no fun any more. And there are far too many people noisily posting stuff that makes me think I just wouldn't want to spend much time with them"In answer to the above, but notice, she is not too slow to express her opinions here and elsewhere.Some of the issues I have raised, which apparently offends the luvvies who have protested, and suggested that I should be banned for racist bigotry, something that I will not let go unchallenged, and I apologise to those who are bored with this constant harping about racism or religious hatred, but these accusations without foundation is IMO a slap in the face for “Free speech” and Freedom of expression. The following are some of them that I have raised on this and other forums.1. Ghurka soldiers Right to residency2. Disgraceful accommodation for service people and their families3. A soldier wounded in action refused a hotel room, when visiting a wounded colleague.4. Protest by residents’ in Surrey against the establishing a rehabilitation centre for service people wounded in action, along with their families.5. Afghanistan hijackers allowed to stay here, given housing and benefits, and it is also alleged that only one has taken up employment (As a security officer) you could not begin to make it up!6. And the well publicised Afghan family housed in a 7 bedroom house and at a cost to the taxpayer, of which I am one even though retired…(.yes I am one of the many mugs who worked for almost 50 years).I continually challenge those who want to stifle any issue(s) that apparently upsets and offends them, to show examples, but even those with impaired vision, would have noticed, that this request just brings on further insults, .to which I respond to eg.Question….”Have you taken your medication AMJA”……..hilarious?  Those in glass houses, springs to mind.So! Those with a mind to throw these accusations and insults about, don’t be surprised when I answer in a similar manner.If either of these 2 particular "ladies" wish to give details of offensive or racist remarks, that I have ever made, I would be delighted to answer, and if proven, I would presume the moderators would implement the ban on my contributions. So ladies, and possibly others of a similar mind, now is the time......but please be adult!

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"There was a resolution on ChiswickW4 forum that some posters would just not contribute to a thread once AMJA had done so. I thought that was a little harsh but think now that they may have had a point."The "resolution", was a suggestion put forward by on individual, but not taken up by the majority, who although might have disagreed with me, failed to uphold his "resolution", just for the record one lady even suggested that I could possibly attend the "Forum drink". So Ms Nathan, if you want to demonise me, make sure you give ALL of the facts, not just your blinkered and prejudiced opinion OK? Always keep in mind, that if you were to succeed in banning everything that YOU find distasteful, or offensive, it might also just prevent YOU from giving any opinion at some time in the future. That was the situation in eastern bloc countries in the 50's, when a word of dissent would land you in a "Gulag", is that what you want?

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Andrew, I also have been branded a racist on this site before. To be honest mate I just laughed it off. Most people are fine with everything thats going on...until it DIRECTLY affects them in some way or other.Rest assured Andrew....its just a question of time until it does.Are you at liberty to tell me the names of the ladies in question???

Andy Wright ● 6539d

Sexist!

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I don't think any of us are particularly racist and most of the comments made by ANY of us I don't read as racist.What many of us don't like are freeloaders. It's unfortunate large numbers of them come from just a few countries. Those countries seem to be more interbred than others - interbred in the genetic sense, not the more common meaning of close relations. It happens in Europe, the French don't look like the Spanish or the Italians, and I'm sure we can all differentiate between a Polish miss and an English one just by looking at them. Polish girls are generally thinner and prettier  -  ooh! That's something to take issue with.What some of us don't like is the ability of the freeloaders to take precedence over UK citizens who are here already and at our expense.When we had the recent immigration waves from the commonwealth those citizens came here to work and were grateful for that opportunity. They weren't given any special favours, until the Race Relations Act. I won't mention the "race" of the first person prosecuted under that act.The recent lot don't seem to know the meaning of work in the context of living in Britain. They expect everything to be handed to them on a plate. Accommodation - " I don't like the view from this flat. Is there another one? Schooling - there should be, not could we have, islamic schools.This is the problem - demand culture without working for it.Another problem is that many incomers are of working age potentially, if they are seeking employment, taking jobs from our own workforce. And if anyone had not noticed there are not enough jobs to go round anyway even if the government says it has 600 000 vacancies notified via JobCentre. 600 000 vacancies? What's wrong with those vacancies - they are non-jobs that no-one, including the unemployed wants them. So where's the future in that?We would do well to remember that government has no money of its own, what it spends on benefits (and all government spending is on benefits whether it is the obvious or a new railway) is raised by taxes and borrowing. How does it repay its borrowing? Taxation - taken from most of us, even pensioners.This argument isn't about racialism, perhaps a little about culturism, but about taking the mickey out of a once even-handed, fair-playing country that made its way in the world by being harsh or generous as necessary. So it wasn't perfect but it did a better job than any other country I can think of.

Alan Brainsby ● 6539d

As Sarah Silverman said "i dont care if you think i am a racist,i just want you to think i am thin"

Peter Davies ● 6539d

Sexist!Now why on earth did you say that, asking about the names otf the women concerned is sexist now is it? I just wish some of you would grow up, and drop this obsession with racism and sexism, it's becoming boring.

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On the current front page of "ealingtoday" I read that a gang has been jailed for human trafficking and prostitution. This gang is east european.In the current "around ealing" someone has been found guilty of benefit fraud. The surname suggests asian origins.Don't we indigs commit serious crime any more? Do we need to import it? Or is it media bias having crime reports discriminating against our own criminals?

Alan Brainsby ● 6538d

It must be the latter Alan......... Made me laugh

Penny Crocker ● 6538d

I'm pleased it gave you a chuckle!BTW How's the boiler?

Alan Brainsby ● 6538d

Boiler is fab. We are taking non-stop baths and have put the thermostat up to 30 degrees to induce a sub-tropical atmosphere.  It's lovely knowing I won't be crawling out of my pit at 6am to a freezing house and coming back to one at 7pm ! Thanks

Penny Crocker ● 6538d

Its everywhere I look...people dont come to the UK to embrace our way of life... they come here to exploit us and our good nature.I work on building sites all over London and the moment the boss is away.... the foreign workforce are looking for things to steal... they then take said items and do private jobs....undercutting honest men who pay for their materials. How can the honest man compete with that?

Andy Wright ● 6538d

No doubt some economists would say it was free-market enterprise.Never be allowed under a Socialist government, would it!

Alan Brainsby ● 6538d

"I don't think any of us are particularly racist and most of the comments made by ANY of us I don't read as racist."Nor do the silent majority Alan. I firmly believe that we all should challenge the abuses that happen here from those wishing to defraud our benefit system, we have enough ponces of our own without importing them.  I was castigated by many "luvvies" on the W4 thread, for having the temerity to say that Vietnamese were responsible for the proliferation of  Cannabis farms, throughout our country, I had been with the police and seen a couple at first hand. I also read a report on the BBC Web site, which reported that they were also involved in people trafficking. I will  continue to write about what is of concern to me, or else " Not one of thus far has offered to reproduce any evidence for these accusations.........Oh! I nearly forgot, there was one post from a councillor, who said that I was a "Covert racist", for suggesting that the Afghan hijackers should not have been allowed to stay here at taxpayers expense.......anybody think that they should have been allowed to stay?What are the opinions regarding setting a cap on the number of people allowed to settle here, if not how should we cope.......Health care, housing, education etc. I  would be interested in other opinions on this?

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Nor would this:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7710367.stmSome queer folk up North.Makes you proud of our police, brave fellows. And I'm not being facetious - I really hate snakes.

Alan Brainsby ● 6538d

Just read this on forum news......Is this is what we want our country to degenerate into. Luvvies wake up and smell the coffee, it could happen in a house near you. Youy will nnotice the good old English names of some of these scumbags.Eduard Facuna, a Slovakian national, was found guilty of trafficking into the UK. He was sentenced to 11 years imprisonment.Roman Pacan, a Czech Republic national, was found guilty of trafficking into the UK for sexual exploitation. He was sentenced to 11 years imprisonment.Martin Doci, a Kosovon national, was found guilty and sentenced to 11 years for trafficking within the UK and five years, to be served concurrently, for controlling a child prostitute.Mesut Arslan, a Turkish national was found guilty on 3.11.08 and sentenced to two and a half years for controlling a child prostitute, and 15 months, to be servedconcurrently, for controlling a brothel for the use of prostitution.Valmir Gjetja, an Albanian national was found guilty and sentenced on 4.11.08 to three years for controlling a prostitute for gain. Charges of unlawful wounding and assault occasioning actual bodily harm will lie on file. November 5, 2008

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Slovakian, Czech, Kosovon, Turkish, Albanian...Is that not a wonderful example of the rich melting pot that is west London, where people from different nations can come together to work in a spirit of co-operation in pursuit of a common goal (or in this case, a common gaol)....  :^)

David Fox ● 6538d

.... at the UK taxpayers' expense! :)

Alan Brainsby ● 6537d

.... at the UK taxpayers' expense! :)Yes Alan, this is always overlooked by the liberal left, one day, the might just wake up to the reality of what is happening to this once great country. We are remembering those who died in 2 world wars very  soon, I lost 2 uncles, one of 16 and one 23, who is remembered at the Menin Gate in Belgium,  and the other at the Loos memorial, their bodies like thousand of others were never found. In mentioning this, I often ask myself was their lives laid down in vain, when I look around me. I see that a council in Oxfordshire has banned Christmas.......yes you've guessed it, it may offend the Muslims.........but it is not them who are complaining, it's the white liberals,(not very liberal are they?). My Pakistani neighbours send us a Christmas card, and we in turn send and wish them a happy Eide! They find it patronising, for saying that Christmas is offensive, and it does nothing to enhance community understanding.

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.... at the UK taxpayers' expense! :)Yes Alan, this is always overlooked by the liberal left, one day, the might just wake up to the reality of what is happening to this once great country. We are remembering those who died in 2 world wars very  soon, I lost 2 uncles, one of 16 and one 23, who is remembered at the Menin Gate in Belgium,  and the other at the Loos memorial, their bodies like thousand of others were never found. In mentioning this, I often ask myself was their lives laid down in vain, when I look around me. I see that a council in Oxfordshire has banned Christmas.......yes you've guessed it, it may offend the Muslims.........but it is not them who are complaining, it's the white liberals,(not very liberal are they?). My Pakistani neighbours send us a Christmas card, and we in turn send and wish them a happy Eide! They find it patronising, for saying that Christmas is offensive, and it does nothing to enhance community understanding.

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Re  and drop this obsession with racism and sexism, it's becoming boring.                  xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx      Andrew, whenever persons accuse others of racism ( and / or sexism )I think you will find it is because they have no logical comment or points of argument to offer, thus a the fall back onto the cry  of  racism etc etc, completely overlooking the fact THEY are in reality the racists.

Tony Price ● 6537d

Re  What are the opinions regarding setting a cap on the number of people allowed to settle here, if not how should we cope.......Health care, housing, education etc. I  would be interested in other opinions on this?          xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx        matters have got to the stage where no-one should be allowed to settle here unless they will support themselves and any dependants and have employment for themselves or able to supply employment to bona fide indigs. There is no reason for anyone to come here, even on the spurious reason of fleeing for their lives as all they have to doi is go to the country bordering their own. We have seen the outrageous case of the Afghan family in Acton, who were safe and sound in Pakistan but came here to rip us off. And we are still waiting to hear they have moved / been removed to somewhere more in keeping with their needs and our's. Perhaps some of the Forum's luvvies can explain to us why this family should be allowed to stay here.

Tony Price ● 6537d

There is a possible solution to this which I believe is fair and would satisfy ALL UK citizens whether for or against immigration.Immigration to the UK would limited only by sponsorship.All immigrants would be allocated to sponsors prior to leaving their country, this would be identified on their visas.If insufficient sponsors were unavailable no more visas would be issued.A sponsor would be responsible for housing, feeding, and providing insured, taxed and roadworthy transport if required. The sponsor would also be responsible for any fines or criminal action done by the immigrant.Government assistance would be limited to the equivalent of working/child tax credit for a maximum of five years per immigrant and be treated as loan to be paid back by the grateful immigrants or their sponsors.Sponsors would have to show they were landowners with land worth at least £100 000 after site clearance. This land would have to be owned outright. This would enable an individual to sponsor two immigrants.The property and any other assets could be automatically sequestered by the state if any irregularity by the immigrants occurred. Naturally if a sponsor has to be dispossessed to pay for legal or deportation costs that individual will be placed last in social housing lists and the like.That's the broad outline. All we need now is a screechy, hard-faced, bitchy individual to implement it!

Alan Brainsby ● 6537d

My Pakistani neighbours send us a Christmas card, and we in turn send and wish them a happy Eide! They find it patronising, for saying that Christmas is offensive, and it does nothing to enhance community understanding.        xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx      Persactly, I get phone calls from Pakistan re Christmas, cards from Indian, Chinese and Iraqi friends who are only too pleased to partake. As I have said before, the indig traitors who undermine our culture and nationhood should be publicly exposed, named and shamed followed by dismissal. THEY are the racists and of the worst kind.

Tony Price ● 6537d

What a load of shit.

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"All vese foreigners cammin to are once praad nation stealin are jobs and takin are benefits".So you stop immigration, kick out the "foreigners" and you're left with the "indigenous" population. Then you start kicking out anyone who can't trace their family back to the Plantagenets. Eventually "All vese fackin people from Willesden Green cammin to are once praad Ealing stealin are jobs and takin are benefits".Why can't you stop reading crap like the Express and repeating putting-the-world-to-rights-daan-the-pub clap trap and think for yourself.

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So how many immigrants would you personally sponsor?

Alan Brainsby ● 6536d

Sponsorship is a stupid idea for a solution. How many hard boiled eggs can you eat?

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I notice you and AMJA contribute a HUGE amount of posts on here, mostly very long, rancourous posts and always geared towards your favourite latest headline about an immigrant getting a big house, a free curry, central heating or something, while we born-and-bred English die of starvation and cold in a cardboard box or whatever.Where do you get the time to post so often and at such length?!! I have a theory that maybe you are both out of work and the immigrants have stolen your jobs, or maybe you do have jobs but just take the piss and don't do any work, just post on here all day ..

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Language please gentlemen! I hear enough bad language on the TV, in the street and on the radio. If you can't get your point across without resorti8ng to bad language then perhaps you should post elsewhere or maybe it is time for the adjudicator to censor the offending posting.Buy the way surely there is no need to resort to insults!

Jean F Fernandez ● 6536d

"Where do you get the time to post so often and at such length?!! I have a theory that maybe you are both out of work and the immigrants have stolen your jobs, or maybe you do have jobs but just take the piss and don't do any work, just post on here all day .."To answer your first point, I have worked for over 40 years, and as I am now retired, my time is my own. I served as a National serviceman in Malaya during the emergency, as old soldiers say "I was in Baghdad before you were in your dads bag, little boy. My perception of you, seeing as how you have decided to suggest what I am/or do. A foul mouthed little boy, who spends his time causing a nuisance on demonstrations with others from the great unwashed brigade, and thinks it big to swear on this forum. Finally sonny, go home to mummy and get her to wash your foul mouth out. I suspect you don't have a father figure in your life, you have clearly demonstrated this fact on here. By the way, shouldn't little boys be at school, rather than spending your'e time on here, leave it to the grown ups you are out of you depth! Come back when you have got the cradle marks off you little bottom. Oh! I nearly forgot, why no mention of a certain Iftikha Ahmad who has posted on here recently!

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"Buy the way surely there is no need to resort to insults!"Forgive him, he can't help the way he was dragged up, this little boy is still at school obviously and is showing off  to his mates. What he needs, when he is old enough, is a spell in the army, but I suspect that he would turn and run to the hills as soon as the drill Sgt. looked at him.

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Keep the insults and bad language coming.Its very entertaining.If people object they should follow tamer threads and not start asking for censorship.

Peter Davies ● 6536d

"My wife has an adopted penguin in the Antarctic called VanHalenJump ..A friend of mine has just got a new cat called Mew Mew Flopsy Mopsy .."A sample of Nigel's contribution is pasted above.......I don't think further comment is necessary is it Nige. Enjoy your organic food, and while your scoffing, you and your luvvie pals, might spare a thought for the folks who are banged up in B&b Hostels, while we sort out housing for all those who turn up on our doorstep. But I suspect that you also don't give a stuff for pensioners either, there is no kudos attached to that subject is there?Finally, perhaps you and others of likemind, might tear yourself away from your bowl of muesli, and protest about the treatment  a British soldier received from the DWP. He suffers from PTSD and receives a pension of £57 per week, and was told that they would only disregard £10 of this when calculating  any income support....yes! you are right he doesn't qualify for any benefit. But that will not cause you to lose any sleep will it Nige, he is only English! Don't forget your poppy! Sleep well

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Re  Sponsorship is a stupid idea for a solution.             xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx        well well well, here we have an admission there is a problem, so what in the opinion of the esteemed poster is the solution, singular or plural.

Tony Price ● 6536d

I bet if I ate only half a boiled egg it would still be more than the number of immigrants, either numerically or by mass, that you would sponsor.If sponsorship is a stupid idea give a sensible one. If you can't then provide another stupid solution.

Alan Brainsby ● 6536d

It's interesting that Nig's (God! I am glad I am named Alan)posts have come during what most gentlemen would call normal working hours.But of course there are attended 24 hour lavatories...

Alan Brainsby ● 6536d

Re  But of course there are attended 24 hour lavatories...          xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx        ah, perhaps that explains why he said one of my posts was full of ....!          And I have started another thread which may well cause some " effluent " from some sources.

Tony Price ● 6536d

So you stop immigration, kick out the "foreigners" What about those who hijackes a plane from Afghanistan, threatened to kill the crew, along with the passengers. Land at our airport, tie up police and military resources. Then tried in our harsh courts,freed, housed and provided with benefits, and allowed to swan around wherever and whenever they chose. But deny benefits to traumatised ex soldiers who have returned from Afghanistan.Come on Nige and defend that sort of justice!

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I unexpectedly receive a gift. It is wrapped beautifully with embossed paper featuring acanthus leaves and has a lovely, well tied bow, offset in the Golden proportion. The present is large, I shake it, it rustles enticingly, there must be something of note, possibly remarkable inside! I carefully remove the delicate bow and paper. Inside, cushioned from the cruel world of the parcel delivery industry with tissue from the pound shop, is an oversized china plate printed with a small, poorly executed painting of two fluffy kittens in a basket replete with blue ribbons about their necks - a special seasonal offer (£4.99) for all readers of the Daily Express.This is what it feels like reading your posts, Andrew.

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Alan, If we are to resort to childish jibes about eachother's names, I might wish point out the irony in yours, but I won't, because it would be petty.

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Obviously you must be an avid reader of the Daily Express to be able to correlate Andrew's pearls of wisdom thus.

Alan Brainsby ● 6534d

Nigel -  which of my names, first (I'm not going to say christian for fear of upsetting a large section of the population) or surname (which will probably upset the rest as it's Norman-French in origin. I suppose I could have used last name, but I didn't).Anyway I'm glad I'm called Alan and you are called Nigel.People otherwise wouldn't be able to tell us apart without a mirror!

Alan Brainsby ● 6534d

Additionally as no-one has come up with an alternative suggestion to mine, eg immigration sponsorship, that one of the following is correct:1) Immigration sponsorship is the reasonable solution.2) Any other suggestion is even more stupid than mine and that the proposer is wary enough to avoid public ridicule.3) There is no better solution.

Alan Brainsby ● 6534d

" a special seasonal offer (£4.99) for all readers of the Daily Express.This is what it feels like reading your posts, Andrew."Beats the Beano that you read doesn't it Nige. Glad to see though that you have made a  small attempt at humour, rather than your foul mouthed abuse. Perhaps we will now have a grown up discussion about the subjects that ought to concern you, but some how I suspect that you have been too indoctrinated with the liberal left propaganda, to speak about them? Your psychic powers I must say, are excellent, being able to guess which newspaper I read.Ask your mum if she will now allow you to read a grown ups newspaper, tell us where you get your news from Nige?Hows Mopsy Wopsy the cat by the way? Perhaps while your gorging on organic meals, you might give some thought to the pensioners of this country, some of whom have just marched past the cenotaph, and will arrive home wondering whether to put the heat on or have a meal........And finally remember they fought to uphold your freedoms. But something tells me you won't give then a second thought....or will you, tell me?

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I have posted this before, but it has not convinced the "juvvies", that unless immigration is curbed, we are heading down the road for trouble.The impact of immigration on public services and community cohesionLarge scale immigration is placing new pressures on schools, the NHS and the police, as well as straining community relations.A House of Commons Committee has called for immediate action to defuse tensions before they lead to disturbances.EducationLarge numbers of pupils do not have English as their first language and therefore extra resources are required to help them. For example:There are currently 1,338 schools where at least 51% of the pupils do not have English as their first language.There are 652 schools in which more than 70% of children have English as a foreign language.A third of schools in Blackburn and Leicester have a non-English speaking majority while in Birmingham that figure is about a quarter.In Bradford, of 28 secondary schools, 10 have 90% or more pupils from one community.Ted Cantle wrote the landmark "parallel lives" report following the 2001 riots in Burnley, Oldham and Bradford. He has said that "There is some evidence that once a school starts to divide it does reach a tipping point where one side or the other feels that this school is no longer for them.FootnoteWhat a disgraceful way to run a country!

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Nigel, your response to Alan"I might wish point out the irony in yours, but I won't, because it would be petty." Your first "sensible" non petty post on this thread?"What a load of shit." And this is a person who is allegedly an adult, I hope that if he has children, they don't look up to him as a role model. No wonder many children are ill disciplined!

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We treat our elderly appallingly in the UK. Our culture and values do not make room for the elderly to contribute, nor do we pay them enough attention intellectually and give thought to how their experiences can help us to grow into a caring nation.

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"Your psychic powers I must say, are excellent, being able to guess which newspaper I read."Not psychic, Andrew, just able to spot the style of your quote selection technique when you wish to give the kind people of this forum an impression of my posting history. A nice, balanced selection Andrew, you could get a job at the Mail with those.

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Re  There are currently 1,338 schools where at least 51% of the pupils do not have English as their first language.There are 652 schools in which more than 70% of children have English as a foreign language.A third of schools in Blackburn and Leicester have a non-English speaking majority while in Birmingham that figure is about a quarter.In Bradford, of 28 secondary schools, 10 have 90% or more pupils from one community.          xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  well believe it or not Ealing is worse, see my thread headed  " Going going gone ". If that ain't enough to put the fear of God into us, I don't know what is. I am so glad I have a bolt hole in Hampshire that I can escape to, permanently at some stage. Just imagine what Ealing would be if those living here now had been here all the time. Like London, it is living on it's past reputation but which will eventually be washed aside by immigration. But there are a handful, as we see on this Forum, who will be in a state of permanent euphoria, so it seems.

Tony Price ● 6534d

"Andrew, you could get a job at the Mail with those."With that recommendation, I cannot possibly fail, I will put in my CV tomorrow Nige!

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It is of note that the abuse given on this forum seems to come first from those who squeak (or screech) dissent from those comments.Nothing wrong with dissent, we are a country of semi-free speech and semi-free responses.But anyone who uses the the common person's word for excrement or "stupid" as an adjective and in either case seemingly unable to back up those statements with reasoned argument is to my mind lacking in certain qualities both of decorum and intelligence. This perhaps is why certain women screech, they cannot argue their point.If I am provoked, like many others, I will retaliate, often gently at first and then more severely.At this time I am rather inclined to revise my opinion of a potential night-worker at a public convenience from operative to utensil unless evidence can be shown that my revision is incorrect.

Alan Brainsby ● 6534d

Re  If I am provoked, like many others, I will retaliate, often gently at first and then more severely.          xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx      If I may add a comment here Alan, I think it is more "acceptable " to Moderators to attack the post and not the poster, which could be construed as all sorts of things, racism, harasment and personal abuse to name but a few. That is what I try to do, and as for stupid comments, I prefer to let them ride because they stand as a monument to the poster's ability. I always regard their abuse as the last refuge of a scoundrel ?

Tony Price ● 6534d

"We treat our elderly appallingly in the UK."You see Nigel, you can be sensible, when you put your mind to it. Having established that, why do you think that they are treated that way.......Could it be that we are more concerned with the many PC issues that blight our country? How many school books would the £12,500 a month rent paid to house a family who should not IMHO be here!This country cannot sustain a situation, where we are the worlds police force, health carers, housing providers. We are supposed to be in Europe, the Germans for example will not send their troops into some areas such as Helmund province in Afghanistan but it's OK presumably, for our young men and women to go there and be killed. I digress, we must start looking after our own first, especially our war pensioners, who have done so much for this country. We ARE a caring nation, we don't have a need to grow into one. Just redirect that care, to those who should rightly have it, and that means ALL those who have worked and contributed to our economy. If after this, we have spare capacity, then by all means allow a number to come here. The sooner we change our position in the EU the better, IN IT....but we make our own laws, we then might then rid ourselves of those who wish us harm, but prepared to bleed us dry.

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Tony, your remarks are thoughtful and thought provoking.You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.Some others seem less fortunate.As I said elsewhere a forum is for reasoned debate. The objective is not consensus necessarily. Heckling will occur, sometimes with hilarious results, and just like a McGuffin in the performing arts, advance the debate. However some heckling (no doubt there is a word for it in the context of on-line forums) is no more than writing rude words on a bus-stop shelter. They add nothing to the thread and bemuse the on-lookers.I thinks it's less of "what happened to gentle Ealing" to more of "what happened to intelligent Ealing."

Alan Brainsby ● 6534d

The following is an extract from AOL News page today, which infuriorates me that an Afghan family can live in luxury at OUR expense while our own are going cold and hungry. About time the situation is reversed, IMO. And this Afghan family are not an isolated case, but one of millions nationwide.  "More than a third of older people plan to live in one room of their home to save on fuel bills this winter, according to a survey. An estimated 2.5 million people resorted to the measure last year, but a study by the British Gas Help the Aged Partnership found the figure will increase to 4.5 million this winter. The poll also found one in four older people now stay in bed to keep warm compared with one in seven last year. Half of those surveyed said they would be forced to turn down their heating this winter".

Tony Price ● 6533d

"The poll also found one in four older people now stay in bed to keep warm compared with one in seven last year. Half of those surveyed said they would be forced to turn down their heating this winter". TonyThis is a tragedy, that our old folk, are not in any politicians thoughts, and it would appear from some of the contributors on here (A load of S**t one said)are too wrapped up in "What has happened to gentle Ealing", to worry about their plight.. They probably haven't looked ahead, and that one day they will be old age pensioners. The way things are going at the moment, they will be even worse off than the present OAP's.......sad really.

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Re  This is a tragedy, that our old folk, are not in any politicians thoughts            xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx          but what I can't understand is why they give preference to foreigners to whom we owe nothing. First we were told they fled here in fear of their lives, then we need them to pay our pensions,then that they come here to improve themselves, that as we are the 4th largest economy we can afford them ( thus admitting they COST us and are not a financial benefit to us ) but if any of this were true, which they ain't, it still does not explain why are own are given the back seat. Just doesn't make sense, so what or who is behind it. And none of the 3 main parties intend to change it.

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I have changed my little girls school as about 90% of the school are Somali. They do not do Christmas but usually have 'Refugee Week'and 'International Food Evenings' You are not allowed to bring Taditional English food in as Muslims cannot eat it and find it offensive. Also the kids are not allowed to make fathers day cards because it is offensive to those without fathers!

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I have changed my little girls school as about 90% of the school are Somali. They do not do Christmas but usually have 'Refugee Week'and 'International Food Evenings' MariaSadly that is The way this country is heading, unfortunately the luvvies (my term for the "loony left") will castigate and insult you. Take a peep at the thread by Tony Price "Going, Going, Gone". read some of the posts that they have made because we had the temerity to protest about what is happening to this country.....Also, beware of "typos" they are a cardinal sin.

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Hi, I have read them and that is typical of those types. They may wake up one day!

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Re  I have changed my little girls school as about 90% of the school are Somali. They do not do Christmas but usually have 'Refugee Week'and 'International Food Evenings'           xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx        This is absolutely disgusting and frightening, as borne out by  my findings in the schools' intake this year, ( see thread headed Going going gone ) And  the trend is getting worse. Those responsible at the school or education dept. should be dismissed without pension rights. Imagine what the situation will be when the teachers and local administrators are 90% sub-saharan. This could  only be a few years away.

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Re  They do not do Christmas but usually have 'Refugee Week'and 'International Food Evenings' You are not allowed to bring Taditional English food in as Muslims cannot eat it and find it offensive.        xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx        it is about time the local MP's tell us what they are going to do to redress the situation in this European Christian country.

Tony Price ● 6531d

Re  Hi, I have read them and that is typical of those types. They may wake up one day!          xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx    The lefties seem a tad slow in recognising danger, unless of course they are of trojan horse outlook aim and desire. The situation in your girl's recent school is simply frightening but will be the norm throughout the Borough before much longer, then what. As I said, GOING GOING GONE. Which is what WE will be and if the lefties think they will get favourable treatment from their new masters, they are in for a big shock, as they will be regarded as having adopted a traitorous attitude and be treated accordingly.

Tony Price ● 6531d

And how does that square with free movement of labour within the EU?

Keith Welham ● 6528d

The "they" here worries me. Are we not guilty of generalising or making a set of issues simpstic to make a point?

Keith Welham ● 6528d

Please don't go bringing any logic into the thread Keith,you'll spoil it.

Tony Wood ● 6528d

"And how does that square with free movement of labour within the EU?"In a nutshell....it doesn't, that's why the sooner we are out of it the better! I think that Alan has the right idea, but I suspect the luvvies will be spitting blood!

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Re  The "they" here worries me. Are we not guilty of generalising or making a set of issues simpstic to make a point?          xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx      "They " refers to the asylum seekers and otherwise immigrants, and the 2nd point, I don't understand. If the 2nd point is an integral part of the first, then I don't understand any of it. Anyone else ?.

Tony Price ● 6528d

He obviously does not understand how to use our wonderful language if the use of 'they' worries him.What other word would one use and why?

Keith Iddon ● 6528d

The "they" here worries me. Are we not guilty of generalising or making a set of issues simpstic to make a point?When Tony refers to "they", what he meant to say and highlight I am sure, was the "freeloaders" who come here from all around the globe, and are treated preferentially to those who are patiently waiting their turn, especially when it comes to the question of housing. Generalising.....perhaps, but from my perspective it is the norm, with the issue of housing especially! The fact that the hijackers  are still swanning around here freeloading at our expense is nothing short of an insult. The tragedy is, that those on the left refuse to condemn it, even referring to it as obnoxious, the only thing that I find obnoxious, is the fact they are not so vociferous about the way our service people are under/inferior equipped, or pensioners treated shabbily

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"Please don't go bringing any logic into the thread Keith,you'll spoil it."Perhaps instead of smart arse responses (meant to show what a clever individual you are eh?) You might contribute logic yourself, or conversely, if you have nothing to offer other than snide remarks, DON'T OPEN IT! 

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Well, well, after all the flak I received from you chaps about using the word "shit", you and dear Alan are now using the word "arse". Although Al used a couple of wimpy asterisks in his. What's the world coming to, eh?

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Many do not know that we are here in this World to live in harmony.Those who know this do not fight against each other.The Buddha

Tony Wood ● 6527d

It's a nice sentiment Tony. I don't know what someone who lives in fear borne of his own ignorance will make of it. Or someone who lives in ignorance borne of his own fear for that matter.

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The Conservatives opposed the Counter-terrorism bill in the Commons this year. It was the Labour government who proposed the extension of police powers in order to tackle terrorism.I think the Labour government is quite hot on clamping down on extremism. The Couter-Terrorism bill is proof that they're serious about doing something anout it.It was those on the right that condemned it.

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"It was those on the right that condemned it."I doubt that very much, I think you will find that it was/is the liberal LEFT. (LIBERTY) Perhaps you will provide us with information that anybody from the right opposed it please, I'm not saying you are wrong, but it does seem bizarre to me if true!

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Re: The Conservatives opposed the Counter-terrorism bill in the Commons this year.And this why I think that there will be a really far Right party developing in this country. Not that bill alone but that kind of thinking.Whether an extension to the time held is necessary is irrelevant when it only affects a few dozen individuals compared to the millions who might vote either way at a General Election, assuming of course we ignore the minority parties. Oooh! That'll upset the liberal-luvvies! I wonder if they've finished reading the Saturday edition of the Grauniad yet?

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AlanMy apologies, of course the Conservatives opposed it, but in acknowledging that, I'm afraid I don't consider them as from the right, just my opinion! To go off slightly,it puzzles me that if 28 days is OK and acceptable and apparently does not breach the Human Rights Act, how can 42 days be wrong........surely both are wrong?

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4110803.ecehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Terrorism_Bill_2008You seem to have constructed a scapegoat for yourselves, a lentil eating Guardian reader who hates war veterans and loves immigrants. Who is he? Does he exist? I'm a vegetarian and I also support the Poppy Appeal. The right wing press can't honestly align themselves with the veterans of the Second World War. The Daily Mail supported Hitler when he came to power in 1933.http://iq.lycos.co.uk/qa/show/1105/Did-the-Daily-Mail-really-support-Hitler-in-the-1930s/Initially I was with you when you raised the point about the diminishing numbers of white people. I was shocked the other day when I saw that huge Mosque towering behind the Clare Inn (next to McDonalds) on Acton High Street. But your aggressive fear-mongering is really off-putting. Is this how we need to behave in order to survive as a culture? Are you really going to be attacked for insisting that Christmas be observed in schools?

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Re  Is this how we need to behave in order to survive as a culture? Are you really going to be attacked for insisting that Christmas be observed in schools?              xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx      I am sure Andrew can and will answer for himself but if we say nothing, the Politicians will take no notice ( no guarantee they will anyway ) but as you are witnessing with your own eyes, our country is being changed , and not for our benefit. And are you suggesting we need to be attacked before we can object to our customs / culture being moved to make way for others? The people we are up against in the main, do not respect weakness and abdication. Not theirs' to turn the other cheek but to smite it.          I was told a harrowing story yesterday by the person who cuts my hair. He is an Iraqi Christian, as is his family from Mosul. His aunt  there has been forced out of her house because of her religion, as have most Christians in Mosul and the local mosques broadcast by loudspeakers from the minarets to those within a mile radius instructing muslims not to buy houses from Christians, as they are leaving anyway.                                                            Do not judge others by our standards                   

Tony Price ● 6527d

Of course when the luvvies find themselves within wailing distance they might think differently.Perhaps I meant hailing. All sounds the same to me.

Alan Brainsby ● 6527d

It is sad that one religion cannot tolerate another. I remember years ago in Malaysia a Catholic Church used to have a cross on top of the spire which lit up at night. As it is predominately a Muslim country the Priest was ordered to turn switch off the lighted cross. Now what harm was it doing to anyone I ask you? Yet we were woken up every morning with the "call to prayers" which resounded over the entire area.Christianity is all about loving one's neighbour but sometimes it is extremely difficult when one's neighbour has entirely other ideas about living in harmony!Why are we called "infidels" "pigs" and other such names just because we happen to have a different belief.We will never live in a tolerant society until each one feels they are treated equally which, sadly, this is not the case as recent newspaper reports have shown.This is (or was) a predominately Christian country but unfortunately all our dearly held values are being eroded with what one could only call "looney" organisations for pandering to the minority in case they feel upset at the very mention of the word "CHRISTMAS"!  So now they want to call it "Winterval" and in some school children are informed that Christmas will not be celebrated, instead it appears to be a mishmash of everything jumbled in together!Now we have celebrations such as "Eid" "Ramadan" "Chinese New Year" and so on, which is all fine and dandy, but it is becoming increasingly obvious that these new ideas appears to be pushing Christianity on to a back burner for fear of upsetting other religions. Why can't each one celebrate their own religion in peace without having to worry about who they were going to upset! Why were some office workers told that they should not have lunch in case they upset their collegues who were fasting for Ramadan? How absurd! Where is the equality in this case?I sometimes wonder just who is in the minority nowadays when it is obvious that in some parts of our society people are treated with much more respect when they say they are "Muslim" than if you are an ordinary member of the public, I guess this is because those in authority fear the consequences of upsetting a Muslim in our society!Now I think that a sense of fair play has long ago gone out the window!  What has happened to our country, yes we have made people from every corner of the globe most welcome here but it would seem that this country has now changed beyond all recognition. There is no equality any more as far as I can see. The trouble is we would appear to be sleepwalking into a situation which will ultimately damage this society when people realise that our value have been eroded, those in authority are simply pandering to the wishes of the minority to the detriment of the majority.  It is no use calling one another names to try and emphasise a point, that won't further the argument. Until our pensioners, and the most vulnerable in our society are treated with respect and given enough to live on so they no longer have to decide whether to eat or keep warm then I'm afraid I fear the outcome.It would seem that in some cases we have offered help and support to those who would wish us harm, talk about biting the hand that feeds you?I for one would have to agree with some of the comments made by the first poster on this subject. Many people have come to the same conclusion but they are afraid of the name calling to let their views be known.

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All religion promotes intolerance of other beliefs, whether explicitly or tacitly. I am hoping they all disappear quietly when humanity finally starts growing up. Some hope.

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Hoi! No they don't...Buddhism doesn't.  :0)

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Re  I for one would have to agree with some of the comments made by the first poster on this subject. Many people have come to the same conclusion but they are afraid of the name calling to let their views be known.              xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx      A superb posting if I may so so Jean. This Govt. realise things have gone too far as judged by public reaction and wish to be seen to be doing something to redress the situation but in fact they are not stemming immigration, which if they really want to, all they have to do is stop all welfare benefits for immigrants and those who have come here in say the last 10 years. Such action might solve the housing shortage and rising unemployment. But even so, it is totally immoral IMO to give a country away without the consent of the citizens, which is what has happened. The C o England just roll over and let muslims take charge, even Rowan Williams said Shariah Law should be incorporated, what a Defender of THE Faith !

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Also a superb bit of editing Tony.It was a good posting Jean,there were a few points that I have a problem with but overall 'twas good.

Tony Wood ● 6526d

"It was a good posting Jean,there were a few points that I have a problem with but overall 'twas good."What few points caused you concern and why? Then we may be able to see where you are coming from.

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Buddhism is a spiritual philosophy, not a religion, Tony.

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Quite right Nigel,I knew you'd know the difference Ta!I will write a reply to AJMA (Buddha knows why it'll do no good)but I've just got back from my Pakistani Muslim dentist,who greeted me with his usual "Ah! Infidel,sit down....Nurse the chainsaw"

Tony Wood ● 6526d

Ooo er dont know how that got posted here Sorry.

Tony Wood ● 6526d

Double Ooo er it should be posted here...I'm still in shock..or senile.

Tony Wood ● 6526d

"Ah! Infidel,sit down....Nurse the chainsaw""Yes I should think that, that's what it would take to get through a thick skull. Carry on with the insults, you are quite good at that, but spare us the schoolboy humour (If that is what it is meant to be" I suppose you are #orf now to Nige's house, for an organic dinner.....enjoy your nut roast..........not too much, now it has already addled your brain!

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...I'm still in shock..or senile.Let me take a guess.... ermeh the latter I suspect!

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:0) Nope, I'm guessing I'm about 500 miles from Nigel so I probably wont be popping round tonight,much as I like Lentil soup followed by a nice Nut Roast washed down with a glass of sparkling eau.  I was right, replying to your question would have been futile,so I wont. You have a good night now.

Tony Wood ● 6526d

He he!

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"He He!" ?Sounds like a couple of poufters...... Ho! Ho! Ho!

Alan Brainsby ● 6526d

Very good Alan, nice bit of wordplay there, reminds me of "On The Buses". Sadly, Reg Varney died the other day, perhaps that's what's reminding me. "BATLAR!!" He he, brilliant!Speaking of English food, what's your recipe for Yorkshire Pudding, and do you recommend resting the batter before cooking? If so, for how long, and in, or out of, the refrigerator? Do you bother sifting the flour? Also I find good olive oil to be more reliable for cooking them than using beef fat from the roasting joint. Which fat or oil do you use? Are yours a bit doughy on the bottom and nice and dark and crisp on the top? That's how I like them. I eat them with lots of gravy made from the caramelised pan juices, deglazed with red wine and with a little redcurrant sauce added to it. It's got loads of flavour because I sit the English mustard-coated roasting joint (forerib is my favourite!) on a trivet of thickly sliced white onion, a few crushed garlic cloves in their skins, bay leaves, and a splash of balsamic vinegar. I NEVER, EVER use gravy browning. What are your thoughts on this matter? 

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Hi Nigel  Good job I didn't pop in for that nut roast,I went to bed a father last night and woke up a Grandad,only trouble is I'm now married to a Granny! :0)))

Tony Wood ● 6525d

Congratulations Tony!! Now go and make sure you get a copy of the Express today so your grandchild can look back in 16 years and see how many nice-English-people-were-murdered-by-Afghan-hijackers-living-in-luxury-Acton-housing-at-the-Ealing-taxpayers'-expense on her or his birthdate. They'll thank you for it!

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Ohhh Don't!

Tony Wood ● 6525d

"Hi Nigel  Good job I didn't pop in for that nut roast,I went to bed a father last night and woke up a Grandad,only trouble is I'm now married to a Granny! :0)))"What a pair of prats you two really are. I think that when you review your posts it might just sink in. Sadly I feel that you are too wrapped up in yourselves to give any thought to any thought to the plight of pensioners, our armed forces and how badly equipped they are, bad housing for them and their families on their return from active service, or Gurkha soldiers the right to reside here?No chance I fear, the pair of you are too wrapped up in stuffing your faces to care. Now boys contribute something, other that your schoolboy humour.....humour is not your strong point, except in your own tiny minds.....grow up!

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I suggested they call him Mustafa.

Tony Wood ● 6525d

What, Mustafa English Passport?

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He's already entitled to one of those,born here you see.No really..blonde hair,blue eyes,and a sense of humour like his Grandad..he'll do!

Tony Wood ● 6525d

Give it a rest, Andrew. And stop issuing personal insults all the time. We are supposed to be debating a subject, not disrespecting eachother's heritage or personal hygiene regime.We care deeply about these matters. We just don't use these issues as cover for preaching hate and prejudice.And stop calling me a leftie, you have no idea about my politics.

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Knockout!

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a) Give it a rest, Andrew. And stop issuing personal insults all the time. We are supposed to be debating a subject, not disrespecting eachother's heritage or personal hygiene regime.b) We care deeply about these matters. We just don't use these issues as cover for preaching hate and prejudice.c) And stop calling me a leftie, you have no idea about my politics. Before I continue, review your recent schoolboy contributions and then tell me that this is what you jokingly call debate, now to continue....a) Pray tell me where I have preached hate and prejudice, I don't know about hatred, but the authorities in this country are certainly prejudiced, (I will explain if needed!)b) If you are deeply concerned as you suggest, where is the evidence that you do. When you say "we", who do you mean, surely not Tony Wood, who tries to be funny, (not very successfully) nor you for that matter, and is not apparent from either yours or his ramblings that you care, it is your PC views, looked at through sunglasses that shines through sadly. The pair of you certainly do not have the slightest idea of what is going on around you, and one day, as I have often said before, " by then it will be too late".c)I know your politics, from some of your views expressed on here. Typical of the left wing fraternity, throw about lines like.... racist comments, preaching hatred, not caring for fellow human beings etc. with nothing to substantiate it. So what I would ask of you, is to provide evidence where I have made either 1) a racist comment, or 2) preached hatred......when and if you do I will offer my humble apology on here....promise! But don't you think it strange, that the moderators have thus far, kept my posts unedited,if you are concerned why not e-mail them with the evidence.....Come on Tony, Nigel forget the sixth form humour for a moment, and put your money where your mouths are......no excuses now"Motto for today for the pair of you.........Little boys in glasshousesshould not throw stones

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Congratulations.I would find that commebnt very funny if it was not a possibility!!

Maria Ashe ● 6525d

"What, Mustafa English Passport? " Your racist joke reproduced above? my perception!

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