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Is this episode a freedom of expression?

What the wonderful caring Nigel said:"You think you represent the UK and feel you are a guardian of its shores, people and culture. However, you make me feel ashamed to be British with your ignorance and intolerance, and you insult your fellow citizens and those on this forum without knowing a damn thing about them. You are a disgrace to all that is wholesome about our country and its values. This forum has cancer because of you and I am going to unregister before I get it too."  NB.           I think he meant de-register!Well Nigel, it is not only this forum, that in your valued opinion that has cancer, but IMO the whole country now has terminal cancer, after witnessing the way these Muslims are abusing and insulting OUR country, and getting away with the one law for them and a different one for us the mugs, who put up with it without so much as a whimper........Hope you are enjoying the rest Nige! Isn't that luvvie liberal philosophy just great. They see our troops who have had a traumatic time in Afghanistan and Iraq,marching through OUR towns, and witness the worst kind of abuse hurled at them from these scumbags, who we now know, that at least one is in receipt of benefits, I wonder if the gutless brigade will check to see why, if he is in receipt of jobseekers allowance, that he is actually seeking employment? But correct me if I'm wrong but has any one of the luvvies even raised an eyebrow in protest. If Nigel Dale is concerned about everything that is "wholesome about this country and it's values", I too find it bizarre that he and his ilk fail to condemn the actions of these morons, who are prepared to live here under our protection, and cant wait to grab everything on offer. I am also waiting to see what penalty is dished out, to the two white people, who found their actions insulting, and were promptly arrested by our wonderful unbiased police, who took the easy option and ignored it (In luvvie speak....treating muslims with sensitivity!)

Andrew Michael John Atkinson ● 6406d20 Comments

Re  but IMO the whole country now has terminal cancer,           xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx        if not the whole country certainly large parts thereof, especially the large conurbations and the one in which we live. That there is such a thing as the white flight from London  amounting to what must now approach 3 million, tells us all. I went by public transport to Golders Green this afternoon, and there were long stretches of road en route where not one european face was to be seen. It was a relief to get to G G and to feel more at home. What I find so strange is that those of us who have been saying for some while that mass immigration is having an effect on our capital city all over and very much our own Borough and it's neighbouring ones are howled down for oh so hideous views and for not " being modern " but on this and the Acton Forum are so many threads decrying that Ealing and Acton have gone down hill extensively but those decriers  will not admit, at least openly, that any area is a portrayal of it's inhabitants. One has only to look around oneself and see how they have changed, and therein lies the reason for the change in our environment. Neither local , and most certainly not national government representatives  will say so, as in these absurd PC times, the truth is verboten and thus minds must be closed off. As far as London is concerned it is living on it's past and when the current becomes the past, gawd 'elp it. Yet we whistleblowers get nowt but abuse  and told to shut up and to leave the Forums to otherwise introvert subjects, but I cannot  imagine anything more important than own survival, be it of collective self or environment. The past 10 years in particular have been witness to detrimental changes and I shudder to think what the next 10 will bring.

Tony Price ● 6405d

Tony, If members of this government got off their fat backsides, out of their fancy cars and travelled by public transport, or walked along some of our High Streets they might finally wake up to the truth that their policy of allowing mass immigration has done nothing for our society. More and more people will be claiming benefits yet where is all this extra money supposed to come from?It was reported in the media that there is 'A £28bn black hole as City tax take is halved', The think-tank said that public spending on health and education might have to drop by as much as 9 per cent because of falling tax revenues. So because of the current ecomonic situation everyone will suffer.The recession is now affecting people from all walks of life, too many people chasing too few jobs, yet over in France people are camping out trying to board lorries to reach the 'promised land' - well it might well have been the promised land some time ago but not any more.Where is all the money going to come from to support the newcomers once they reach these shores? Where are the jobs for them?It has been said on this forum before that the government is solely to blame for the current situation with regard to the generous benefits system which alone is attracting people from overseas to these shores. This system is not helping anyone in the long run. It does not help the long term unemployed who find it is more profitable to remain in receipt of benefits rather than find gainful employment because they would be better off living 'off the state'. How can that be right?There has been massive abuse of the welfare system but no-one in government appears to have an answer.Some examples of abuse of the system:The man who has 1 council flat, tells the council that he has divorced his wife, so they are then given a 2nd council flat. They then rent out the 2nd council flat.The guy who has a number of properties, he puts them in his son's name and then gets himself a nice council flat.There are many other examples of which you are probably aware.Then when we hear of the abuse and hatred directed at our soldiers recently in Luton they arrested the wrong people in my opinion.  Recent quote from a serving policeman: "Because everything is so politically correct nowadays we are expected to be seen as being 'pink and fluffy' and it is preventing us from doing our jobs. We have to be careful not to upset the minority you see".  So now we know!The mose frequently heard quote nowadays is "This country has gone to the dogs" so is this a record of which our government can feel proud?Until they finally get tough on immigration and have some sort of points system like Australia then I fear for the future of this once great country,.

Jean F Fernandez ● 6405d

Re  This country has gone to the dogs" so is this a record of which our government can feel proud?            xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx    a superb post Jean, as usual. I can  connect with all you say but there are those, incl on this Forum who not only do the ostrich act and with cloth ears to boot, but call persons such as myself racist fools,  bigots, of lost faculties, old-fashioned, not modern,  ante-deluvian etc etc. But I guarantee they will some day realise how foolish they have been. I went to the Doctor's Surgery this afternoon and had the usual wait before my turn came, during which time the next required person's name is  shown up on a screen for all to see. I did not see one "english type " of the very many that came up. 10 years ago that would not have happened and 20 years ago, unheard of. But, there are as we know, those among us who prefer the company of foreigners than we indigs. If that ain't racist, I don't know what is. And against nature. All species congregate together but we who wish to are abused. Why ?. And " they " say they want this and sister Forums to discuss more local topics. I can't think of anything more local than the disappearance of our environment. Give Ealing and most of London another 10 years and it won't be recognisable.

Tony Price ● 6405d

Give Ealing and most of London another 10 years and it won't be recognisable.I Would halve that to 5 years Tony, if not less than that. There are still Queue's of Iraqis and Afghans waiting the chance to get to here from Calais........will they head for "Gentle Ealing", maybe the luvvies might invite them to one of their "nosh ups", along with Nigel tempting them with his special hot chilli sauce....should be a laugh?

Andrew Michael John Atkinson ● 6405d

Re  tempting them with his special hot chilli sauce..          xxxxxxxxxxxxxx    let's hope they'll be careful what they dip in it, might bite awf more than they can chew, as the english saying goes.

Tony Price ● 6405d

Thanks Tony.....just telling it like it is!It's a pity that some are sleepwalking into disaster.

Jean F Fernandez ● 6404d

MINISTER'S PLAN TO HALT IMMIGRANTS AT CALAIS(That's news to us, say French)A joint Anglo-French detention centre is to be built outside Calais to deal with thousands of migrants trying to reach Britain, the immigration minister has claimed.In a surprise move Phil Woolas revealed that he has held talks with his French counterparts over a secure camp.He says he is trying to persuade them that it would be the solution to dealing with would-be asylum seekers trying to get to the UK.Describing his plans for the centre Mr Woolas emphasised that it would not be like Sangatte. He said the new facility would house migrants before they are sent home.Britain is willing to help pay for and run the camp, Mr Woolas said, and to share the costs of flights with the French authorities to deport illegal immigrants back to their homes in Iraq, Afganistan and elsewhere before they can reach the UK.However, Mr Woolas's unscheduled announcement took his Whitehall officials by surprise. The Home Office was unable to provide details of how the proposed detention centre would work.But more embarrassinglly for Mr Woolas, his claims even caused bemusement in Paris, where a spokesman for the French immigration ministry said he too had 'no information' about plans for the detention centre.Meanwhile, a source at Calais town council said there were 'certainly no plans for the building of a new prison structure'.Mr Woolas, who has developed a reputation for putting his foot in his mouth, told reporters he was anxious to agree a deal with the French by the beginning of May, in time for a formal announcement at an Snglo-French summit later that month.Proposals for a secure detention camp appear to run contrary to the French government's approach to the problems at Calais, where immigration minister Eric Beeson last week confirmed that 'light building' facilities were to be built offering food, showers and legal advice to illegal immigrants tryng to reach the UK.The centres have already been dubbed 'mini Sangattes' after the notorious camp which was closed down in 2002.Former Home Secretary David Blumkett persuaded the French to bulldose the site, but only on condition that Britain accepted hundreds of migrants living there. Pressure on the French government has grown in recent months to deal with the growing numbers of those sleeping rough.Referring to Sangatte, Mr Woolas said: Last time the pressure was on the French to let people through the Channel Tunnel. Now the pressure on them is humanatarian.Charity workers believe as many as 2000 are living in a series of squalid shanty towns in areas of woodland known as the jungle'.Tory immigration spokesman Damian Green dismissed the plans as a 'waste of money' which would not tackle the real problem of weak borders, which is why Conservatives propose to set up a specialist Border Police Force.Hundreds of would-be migrants were yesterday invgolved in a mass gang fight in central Calais. Armed riot police used tear gas and batons on the men, many of whom were welding knives, metal poles and planks.More trouble ahead???

Jean F Fernandez ● 6404d

let's hope they'll be careful what they dip in it, might bite awf more than they can chew, as the english saying goes.TonyIt is NOT an English saying, it is a Huguenot one. R]The luvvies will be choking on their artichoke soup. You must now report to the thought police immediately,  for diversity training for 2 years! You will then be promoted to a Luvvie First Class.

Andrew Michael John Atkinson ● 6404d

Re  It's a pity that some are sleepwalking into disaster.        xxxxxxxxxxxxxx    yep, and taking us all with them, and if that ain't bad enough, abusing we whistle-blowers into the bargain, whereas in any normal situation we should be applauded. Makes one wonder what their agenda is, t'ain't normal, that's for sure.

Tony Price ● 6404d

Re  and legal advice to illegal immigrants tryng to reach the UK.          xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx      ruddy 'ell, that's before they even get here. May as well give them Housing Benefit Application forms so the homes can be ready and kitted out in time for their arrival. I don't see how  the proposed new premises in Calais will work , 'cos all the illegals have to do is not go near the place and thus avoid getting sent back, and who will be able to say where that is anyway. Don't forget, they fled knickers ablaze in fear of their lives, no time to gather up papers or Passports etc etc.

Tony Price ● 6404d

There are a lot of strikes in France today, Thursday.Does that mean those wannabee immigrants will go hungry and have no idea of UK benefits as they board unguarded vehicles coming to the UK?Will UKBA at Dover be overrun?

Alan Brainsby ● 6404d

This should get the luvvies swooning:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/7951778.stmSomeone with a sensible, practical attitude, and he gets into trouble as well...Perhaps this should be tacked onto a couple of other threads as well.

Alan Brainsby ● 6404d

Re  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/7951778.stmSomeone with a sensible, practical attitude, and he gets into trouble as well...Perhaps this should be tacked onto a couple of other threads as well.          xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx      thanks Alan, very interesting. Note the comment re this is a multicultural society , so we have to adapt to them, not them to us. There is no such thing as a multcultural society, as our Trev. Phillips has recently admitted, but a multi fragmented one, in which we and our culture, thanks to fifth columnists in our midst, are expected to take a back seat. The inability of many to speak english in an understandable manner is why I tend not to buy in Ealing/London but in Southampton where I half live.      And good idea to put link on other threads, leave it to you.

Tony Price ● 6404d

and here's another example of justice in the UK because of immigration. As I have said before, let anyone who criticises the BNP as being a violent organisation have a look at the opposition who make the BNP look like vicars at a tea party. Whether one agrees with any or all of the BNP's agenda doesn't matter. They are a legitimate political party and thus entitled to be able to state their case in safety:-      " There is reason to believe that Liverpool BNP super activist Tony Ward has been attacked at the Battle For Britain event in Leigh earlier tonight.Sources reveal that there have been numerous attacks involving claw hammers and knives, with allegedly up to 40 male ethnic minorities targeting four BNP members.Apparently Mr Ward was hospitalised after a house brick struck him. An eyewitness said: "the police did little to help, the attackers were like violent animals."

Tony Price ● 6403d

Re  More trouble ahead???        xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx      Look at this extract Jean from The Telegraph and then realise what lies ahead :-        " The UN predicted last week that the population of Britain would riseto 72 million by 2050. Actually, the increase will probably happenfaster than that. According to the Government's own figures, Britain'spopulation will reach 71 million not in 40 years, but in just over 20:its forecast is that we will get there in 2031, because it thinks thenumber of immigrants who will arrive here is going to be higher thanthe UN's prediction.The rise will be almost entirely the result of immigration. If therewere to be no immigration at all into Britain, the population wouldhover around its present figure of 61 million. But the Governmentpredicts that net migration into Britain (that is, the total of thosecoming in minus the total number of people emigrating) will be around190,000 a year for the foreseeable future.The consequential population increase, which may be as high as 10million, is enormously significant. It represents adding a city biggerthan London (the population of which is now about seven and a halfmillion). England, with a population density of 395 people per squarekilometre, is already the most crowded country in Europe:"

Tony Price ● 6403d

Seven per cent of London's population are illegal immigrants :-      The figure emerged after the report from the London School of Economics,commissioned by Mr Johnson, found there were at least 947,000 illegalimmigrants in Britain in 2007.Of that number, at least 518,000 were in London, seven percent of thecapital's population."

Tony Price ● 6403d

http://www.cilt.org.uk/faqs/langspoken.htm is where the following information came from:Annual Population Survey (APS), Office for National StatisticsThe APS is the largest adult household survey in the country with a total sample size of approximately 500,000 people. The APS includes the annual Labour Force Survey (LFS) plus sample boosts to achieve higher numbers in local authority districts.The question of 'Nationality/ National Identity' is asked. The annual 2006 APS results gave the following population estimates for the top 20 nationalities of people living in the UK:1. UK 55,360,2002. Irish Republic 350,6443. India 255,6534. Poland 234,6415. France 117,6766. Former USSR etc 117,2567. USA 114,4948. Pakistan 104,5649. South Africa 104,18410. Italy 95,82011. Germany 89,26612. Portugal 86,58413. Bangladesh 80,06014. Australia 78,80715. China 70,14716. Phillippines 68,47517. Nigeria 67,68618. Zimbabwe 63,04519. Jamaica 56,74020. Somalia 55,047(Note: Former Czechoslovakia 66,646)Source website: Annual Population SurveyIf one believes this cr*p then God help us.But it's interesting which countries aren't in the the top 20, which means their representations here are so small as to be insignificant.

Alan Brainsby ● 6403d

Re  If one believes this cr*p then God help us.        xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx    Indeed yes, but what is most pertinent is that this Govt. parade such figures, to which the question is why. They know the public ( apart from the cloth eared  ostriches on these Forums ) are most concerned  with immigration and the noticeable disappearance of our environment etc etc, so they set out to allay our fears with false info. They have been doing this for years and when challenged, have had to up the immigration figures time and time again. They are very careful in what goalposts they set, what questions they ask and how they word what they produce. The die has been cast for the next census, allowing persons of all colours to state they are English for example, as long as they have British nationality.  In the examples you supplied, it may be the reference to National Identity is  of great significance. To say there are 55 thousand Somalis here is an understatement by a factor of 5 as there are at least 250,000 here, and Pakistanis at 104.000 is patent rubbish, more like 10X that number, at least. Take what this Govt. says with a sack of salt and ask yourself why they lie.

Tony Price ● 6403d

Precisely.The only near-accurate figure would be the 55 000 000 or so of us which is about a 7 000 000 (14%) rise since 1945. Thank God 1 in 10 of us born since the war has emigrated.The trains and buses would be so overcrowded!

Alan Brainsby ● 6403d

And what is kept from us, enough to frighten us to death. I wonder when the next Civil War  will be in this country see :-    " Labour Party MP Shahid Malik has predicted the total Islamification of Britain and a Muslim prime minister, “Allah willing”, within the next thirty years. The remarks were made at the October 2008 “Global Peace and Unity” conference held at the Excel London centre, but were deliberately withheld from the video coverage released of that event. The video speech in which Mr Malik made his remarks has now been released on the internet—nearly five months after the event. The suppression of the video was clearly designed to try and limit the damage to the ruling Tory and Labour elite, whose immigration policies have led to the situation where a Muslim cabinet minister can confidently predict the total Islamification of this nation. In his speech, Mr Malik said that he was “proud of the achievements of the Muslims of this country since 1997.” Referring to Muslim members of the British parliament, himself included, Mr Malik went on to say that: “In 1997 we got our first Muslim MP. In 2001 we had two Muslim MPs. In 2005 we had four Muslim MPs. In Sha’ Allah [Allah willing], in 2009 (or) 2010 we’ll have eight or ten Muslim MPs. In 2014 we’ll have 16 Muslim MPs. At this rate the whole parliament will be Muslim.” Mr Malik then realised that he had let the cat out of the bag by being too honest, and in an embarrassed tone, he backtracked slightly, saying that was not his intention “in case any members of the press are present.” The crowd showed no signs of reacting to his remark, and, filled with confidence, he then resumed an explanation of how Britain is to be totally Islamified. “I am confident, as Britain’s first Muslim minister, that, In Sha’ Allah, in the next thirty years or so, we’ll see a prime minister who happens to share my faith,” Mr Malik said, in reference to the growing Third World population and immigration figures. http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/200..."

Tony Price ● 6403d