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MORE than 150 children, parents, staff and others got out their shovels and brooms to clear mounds of snow at a Flackwell Heath primary school. Even former pupils joined in the mass clear up operation this afternoon at Juniper Hill primary School in Churchill Close to enable schoolchildren to return tomorrow. Headteacher Hilary Nohavicka hailed the "COMMUNITY SPIRIT" shown in getting the snow cleared. She said: “It’s been amazing. They’ve cleared all the car park and an area all the way around the school. “It’s a brilliant school anyway but this it’s one of the best things abut it." She said although it is important to try to continue as normal, safety comes first. “We want to keep open as much as we can but you have to balance that with making sure the site is safe for the children and you can get in," she said. “The paramount thing is the safety of everyone in the school community.” There are about 430 pupils at the school, all of whom should be back in their classrooms again tomorrow, barring a dramatic deterioration in the weather. Mrs Nohavicka said:“We are expecting to be able to open it’s just now a question of whether staff can get in.” Princes Risborough School also recruited friends, parents and pupils in a bid to open tomorrow for external exams. It held a ‘snow shovelling party’ this afternoon, while the use of a tractor was leant out to help the effort by Jim Dance of Risborough Agricultural Services. John Hampden Grammar School in Marlow Hill, High Wycombe, also staged a similar snow clearing operation today. SOURCEhttp://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/4843226.150_join_Flackwell_Heath_school_s_snow_clearing_operation/

Dennis Bailey ● 6105d

If everyone is leaving snow and ice on pathways outside their houses because they are afraid of being sued should someone fall, does that mean that all the hundreds of people currently falling over and breaking limbs can automatically sue the miscellaneous councils for not gritting?  People are not clearing pathways (in my opinion) because they are inconsiderate and bone idle.  When I was a child my father always cleared paths and pavements BUT you have to treat the remaining surface with either salt/sand/grit or, (if you still have a fire) with the ashes from the grate.  No-one fell over and everyone was grateful.  Whole streets used to be cleared in the same way indeed if someone had not cleared their stretch of pavement they would be complained about.  Now of course there is this spurious argument about everyone being sued.  Not everyone has the sort of insurance necessary to cover third party personal injuries so, is everyone going to start suing people who have nothing?  Has the world gone entirely mad?As for the schools not being open - I attended St. John's in Brentford in the 50s this was a fairly run down Victorian structure with outside toilets and the only heating was a coal fire in each classroom.  I do not remember the school ever being closed irrespective of weather conditions.  I do remember a parent complaining to one of the nuns that her child had been sent out to play in the rain and the nun's response was "is he made of sugar"?  My goodness how times have changed.Whilst on the subject, who do I complain to - at birth I did not receive a lifetime supply of bubble wrap.

Bernie Paul ● 6105d

Things have changed, Bernie.  But it's not just about people being idle or obsessed with suing.  The various other factors that made some of what you describe possible have changed too.1. Teachers, and some pupils no longer live in walking distance of schools - if transport closes down, people can't get to work.  How much this applies locally I don't know, but the fact is that certainly outside the cities, in 'the old days' of the 1950s, village teachers lived in the villages, whereas now they can afford to live where they like, and they drive.  Ditto pupils and catchment areas.2. Gritting - no fire, no ashes, no gritboxes, and salt is quite hard to find too.  As you say, treating it is crucial - around here, the one or two bits that people have tried to do are like glass - transparent and lethal.  I'd rather walk on the snow.  Your historical comparison is interesting but what it says to me is that there needs to be some public education - you have to bear in mind it's been so long since the last proper freeze that up in the North, even the sheep on the fells have 'forgotten' how to use the stone shelters (they usually learn from the previous generation, but haven't needed them so long that the ewes haven't picked it up from their mothers for years...).  People are not much different - once the 'culture' of doing something goes, it needs re-introduction, and banging on about idleness isn't the way to do it.  To be honest I'd rather everyone was taught and encouraged to do it properly (like the 'catch it, bin it, kill' campaign for flu) rather than have the odd glassy patch where some enthusiast (without access to the excellent advice here about dishwasher salt etc.) has scraped it clear then let it re-freeze.

Gerald Cabb ● 6105d