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Marie, I undertsand what you are trying to say, but some of them could be better put. Also it is not that simple once the "floodgate" is open. As a "free" and "liberal minded" western country it was decided by the government to allow many refugees in the past years/decades. Though most are happyly settled in to the "British" way of life and become part of the community. Whilst some started forming their own "communities" i.e. Southall, Wembley (Ealing Road), Chinatown, Bradford, Luton etc..Nothing wrong in retaining one's cultrure or identity, but over the last 10-20 years there has been a slow progress in almost "self-indepenence" and segragations. It didn't help by the past government policies of allowing "self-governence" in particular Scotchish and Walsh Assembely and none-Christian Faith, Fondation, andfFREE schools, Academy etc..I had experience many examples of New Comers "biting the hand that feeds them", but the fact is we have them and we need to deal with them. Marie's "simple" ideas is almost right, but how do one's go about putting it in action, that is the biggest issue here. We have such a established complex legal and bureaucratic driven systems in this country. It will take many civil servants and years to draft any legislations to put any decent "practical" solutions in to action. Not to mentioned the number of "consultations" it had to do in order to satisfy the "chatting" class, Campaginers and "Do Gooders" of this Western Free Society called Great Britain.

Jim Wong ● 5720d

David is right this thread has been hijacked and I also agree with Marie, immigration both legal and illegal has in my opinion gone too far.  There is nothing we can do about Europeans because whether we like it or not they are entitled to be here but, immigrants from everywhere else are not and there is no room for any more regardless of their colour or anything else.  We have NO jobs here!  We have NO accommodation here!  We have NO money here! Why the heck do millions still try to get here?  Simple, because once they are here as a nation we are stupid enough to keep them.Many illegals do work in the UK but because they are illegal they are frequently exploited.  This does not help them or the UK economy.  Many are nothing more than cheap labour or occasionally even slaves. However the very fact that employers can get cheap labour just denies proper jobs and wages being paid in the UK in various fields.  My daughter works in immigration at the Home Office and there is not a day that goes by when more illegals are not rounded up somewhere in London.  There have been numerous amnestys in the past but still they keep coming and these islands cannot support any more of them and, even if it could, I personally think we have our fair share of ethnics of every hue and colour and the one thing we do not need is any more blooming diversity.  We get the message on that level.  There is a policy whereby immigrants from various countries once they get into the UK cannot be repatriated not only because many destroy passports but because it is government policy i.e. Afghanistan.  Anyone gaining entry to the UK from Afghanisation will claim asylum.  Their claim may be refused but in wont matter because the UK's policy is to NOT return them hence the failed asylum seeker in Acton claiming squillions of pounds in rent and benefits.  How stupid is this country?I travel on public transport everyday and frequently have to stop myself from screaming out loud at the cacophony of voices all jabbering in different languages.  I often wonder if I have strayed into a foreign country.  No-one seems to be able to speak English, neither the bus/train driver nor the passengers.  Pockets of the country are taken over by different nationalities all of whom appear to be housed by the local authorities.  I disapprove of many of the so called "cultures" we are supposed to respect.  Forced marriages, honour killings, women covered from head to toe, etc., etc.  Enough is enough and I have definitely had enough.  I couldn't give a flying u know what where someone is from or what colour they are NO MORE and those that are here already should have the courtesy to learn how to speak ENGLISH.

Bernie Paul ● 5718d

I thought the idea of a forum was debate.  A place where people could air their opinions no matter how bizarre those opinions may be.  After all we are supposed to have free speech in the UK although frankly that has been proven to be a myth.  The recent sacking of Andy Gray and resignation of Richard Keys for "sexism" proves this.  Rightly or wrongly their conversation was not broadcast on air but leaked by someone else thereby proving you cannot voice an opinion that would upset the PC brigade.  The same thing happened to Carol Thatcher with her "golliwog" remark but in that case it was branded racism.  I hold no brief for Carol Thatcher but in my opinion both sackings and exposes were wrong.  You cannot legislate for peoples' opinions and people SHOULD be entitled to air them without a barrage of insults from everyone that disagrees.  Personally I am by nature opposed to PC behaviour and opinions because I believe that so called sexism, racism every other "ism" you can think of is lurking in the back of everyone's brain.  I genuinely don't care what colour anyone is or what religion they are or what sex they are on a personal level.  Either you like someone or you don't.  That said, I do not like the fact that great pockets of the country have been handed over to other nationalities from wherever they came.  I do not like the fact that if I was to stop and ask directions of someone the chances are they won't speak English.  I do not like the fact that I have to be careful what I say to everyone for fear of being "offensive".  I do not like the fact that I can be labelled "racist" because I may make a statement of fact.  I do not like positive descrimination on grounds of sex or race.  I do not like the fact that laws have been created in an attempt to make people get on.  How exactly does that work?  The fact that you can accuse someone of sexism/homophobia/racism/xenophobia etc. as some sort of criminal offence is ridiculous in my opinion.Anyone who may be aggrieved by the fact that the Afghan woman with her 7 children being housed at the publics' expense in an expensive property with an even more expensive rent which computes annually to about 6 times the national average salary and that's without the additional benefits - is NOT racist they are realists and although it may or may not be typical of what is being handed out to FAILED asylum seekers it is definitely enough to make most people's blood boil.  Getting back to the start of this thread, we do not need any more people to come to the UK whether to live on streets OR at the expense of the few people likely to be left in work as a result of this lunatic Tory government!  Enough is enough.

Bernie Paul ● 5716d

Somehow or other we need to stop immigration regardless of numbers.  The cost to the UK is enormous.  Failed asylum seekers appeal decisions and this costs thousands through the courts and win, lose or draw, it then costs a fortune to either deport or keep them.  As previously mentioned, those entitled to come or granted asylum will by and large find job hunting a pretty thankless task and therefore the burden is more often then not back on the taxpayer.Today, there is yet another distressing report in the paper about a 14 year old girl in Bangladesh who was "whipped to death in fatwa" for evidently having an affair - or - as later reported - being raped by a 40 year old man.  So, she was sentenced to 100 lashes  administered publicly in a village nr. Dhaka but she collapsed and died after 70 lashes.  The man was also sentenced to 100 lashes but fled unscathed.I'm sorry, but do we really want to share our country with these types of people?  I know I don't. Pure and simple.  This is not the first report of this kind and will probably not be the last but I don't think I can learn anything useful from a people with customs such as these.  There is nothing enriching as far as I am concerned rather more sickening than enlightening for my money and adds weight to Jack Straw's recent comments.  This is one of the great problems with immigration, people come here from the 4 corners bringing their "cultures" and beliefs with them and expecting to carry on as if they were NOT here.  Totally differing cultures and views do NOT blend well.  Many immigrants come here from countries where they cannot even live with their own people but they are supposed to be assimilated into British society! Ha - fat chance.

Bernie Paul ● 5714d

Bernie Paul asks:- "How far do you want to go back in history?"We don't need to go back in history at all because although General Havelock did his deed in 1857, people like you continue to admire him as a hero even today.Only a few years ago, his statue was in Trafalgar Square. When Ken Livingstone proposed to move it, this caused an outcry among the right wing newspapers whose racist poison fills your head every day.Did you know, Bernie, that here in Southall we have a long street named "Havelock Road"? It also has a school and a family centre named after him.A few years ago, someone suggested that Havelock was no longer an appropriate name for the road and enquired about the possibility of a name change. This resulted in much screaming and gnashing of teeth from people writing to the Gazette letters page who were outraged at any suggestion that the name be altered.Rather like Bernie, General Havelock saw things in beautifully simple terms. He described his mission to defeat the Indian rebellion as a “contest between the barbarism and fanaticism of Asiatic hordes and civilised authority of Christian rulers.” His forces shot, bayoneted, hanged and disembowelled tens of thousands of Indians (many of them civilians).The Chartist Ernest Jones observed, “They (Havelock’s troops) have hit on the refined expedient of tying livings Indians to the mouths of cannon and then firing them off, blowing them to atoms…”Havelock himself boasted: “The unfortunate who fell into the hands of our troops were made short work of – Indian soldiers and villagers, it mattered not – no questions were asked. His skin was black and did not that suffice?”“A piece of rope and the branch of a tree or rifle bullet through his brain soon terminated his existence”, continued Havelock, “and for a righteous cause, the cause of justice, humanity, truth and good government in India”.Ah yes... spoken with the true logic of Bernie Paul.

Robin Taylor ● 5713d