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Hi ColmWithout claiming to sh?t stir you are very keen to hear from others if they think this recycling initiative is a load of cobbswallop or just a load of sh?te! Well, Colm - what do you think I think? Of course, it is a gimmick! It is so unfair too.  There is plenty of evidence to show that there is a clear correlation between affluence and recycling.  The more space you have to live in the easier one is going to find it to recycle without rubbish being in the way. So houses that are divided into flats will have lower recycling rates than houses which consists of just one household. People will only recycle if they find it easy to.Accepting this you can see how easy it is for Hobbayne to do so well without even trying. What I think is more unfair is that the poorer parts of the borough need far more investment put into their local communities than somewhere like Elthorne, Hobbayne or Southfield wards which have done so well out of this scheme.  The twenty grand that Hobbayne will be getting should - if anything - be spent on keeping Hanwell libary open.  If the Council are really keen to encourage eco-living and get people to rethink the decisions on how they run their lives and what they buy then they should seriously be considering charging residents 50% more for their second residents parking permit. I dare the Council to find love by introducing this idea. Or even better, refuse residents parking permits if they own a 4x4!Sadly, because of attitudes like Moira who describes people as "eco - nutters" you can see clearly why the project was conceived in the first place.

Ben Owen ● 5598d

ColmWelcome back to Ealing Today.We can see from the Ealing Times that Cllr Bassam Mahfouz says £231K has been saved by virtue of the initiative, and that after the awards and publicity spend we are still in the black.It seems from both Cllrs Costello and Taylor’s blogs that the general flavour of the experiment was not a good thing. Well if we have saved on landfill tax, then it was worthwhile overall.So there are now some savings which can be put forward to saving our Libraries. Separately if the winning Wards feel that strongly they could ask for some of their “winnings” to be put back to the library budgets.What the exercise has shown is we have firm evidence that those Western Ward peoples have some low standards. If they want something from the Council, like a new car park, then perhaps they should have to earn it by hoiking up their community behaviour standards, and so become more deserving citizens. I don’t know how many high rise dwellings there are in those wards where it is understandable that without proper management and encouragement from the Council and other Social landlords recycling standards are low. However when I sometimes visit Southall, I do see swathes of Victorian houses where recycling is easier to perform, just as I see in winning Hobbayne or Elthorne or clean Northfield. So in those Western parts there probably may be other reasons for low standards. However as it seems the Councillors of these Western parts have such a poor record generally in participating publicly in Borough wide activities (presumably taking their cue from MP Sharma who apparently very rarely ventures Eastwards with his body or emails), perhaps we shall never know. Must be hard for Bassam if he apparently gets so little support.I saw on somewhere like the BBC website recently that the UK still has the worst standards in Europe for recycling. So we shall have to do even better and experiments like these have their uses, provided that the Council grasps the nettle and continues to cajole more and more people, in the parts where the sinners are more numerous, until they fall in line. Improvements of course would have to be published Ward by Ward.

George Knox ● 5598d

Hi BenI don't think that Hobbayne or Elthorne are the most affluent parts of the borough, so the link between afflunece and recycling argument won't stack up there. The argument about what kind of property you live in will determine how easy it is does apply, but isn't a huge factor. If you look at the table, you will see that some of the wards that are not performing as well as Hobbayne, are not covered in flats that make recycling more difficult, like Perivale, which didn't do too badly or some of the Southall wards, which did very badly. If you travel round Southall, you will see lots of terraced and semi detached houses which do not present the problems you describe Ben. I may not have made it very clear Ben at the beginning, but Elthorne and Hobbayne share the £20k, so we only get £10k each. Somehow we both had exactly 72.7% participation rates. As far as my opinion is concerned Ben, I think that spending £30k promoting this scheme, then spending another £80k on prize money that will not be spent on increasing recycling rates in the borough is a mistake. The goals of the scheme were admirable, the way they went about it was daft. they could have used the £110k to do a door knocking campaign in the poorest performing wards as we did  a few years back instead of spending all that money on a gimmick. Moiras comments are understandable. I suspect that Moira is fed up of being told how irresponsible she is being by people who want to manage every aspect of how she lives her life.

Colm Costello ● 5598d

Colm.Despite your first post it doesn’t take long to get you wired up.You really don’t know more than me or anyone by how much the recycling rates would have improved without the initiative, and I had been wondering whether the momentum which the Tories did so well at during their last administration was running out of steam. The UK is very bad at recycling and we shall need to see endless new initiatives from many Councils if the UK is to avoid being fined.OK this scheme had its defects, but overall our tax for landfill reduced and you have to celebrate the actual figures which are hard evidence. But being a Tory you did not want to offer any congratulations whatsoever. Also do I remember you getting on your soap box right at the beginning of the scheme saying that it had defects? And you now make no offers as to how the Western parts should be assisted in repenting of their sins, or explanations as to why indeed they are so sinful as regards recycling. At least this initiative told us where recycling is at its lowest. That is useful, but only if the Council is any good at managing.In the Council’s Business Plan for Environment and Leisure there is reference to “Deployment of 3 Recycling Outreach Officers to raise recycling service awareness and to increase participation”. If they haven’t been given the brown envelope, which you can tell us about, then perhaps the Asst Director can be told where to send his staff, and Martin Smith can mark his card if the Western territories fail to improve.

George Knox ● 5598d

Money like this probably came from government as a grant to improve recycling rates.  The Council will probably have had to apply for it and win it and perhaps with a scheme to do so.I agree that knocking on doors improves the recycling rates only the people who came round last time didn't necessarily work in the borough and know all the answers to the questions they were asked.  However they did try... but could have done better!They also ordered bins for people who had lost theirs/hadn't got round to ordering more/didn't know how to etc.  Rates would have gone up round here if after noticing the number of rotten bags (? number of years and people leaving them outside to rot in the sun - why not roll up when not in use and put in upturned green box? It helps.) some leafleting had been done to get people ordering new bags/boxes. I think someone said on this forum that they had been told to recycle their tatty bag in their new one  - is this right?Unfortunately this last initiative wouldn't have worked with me because I don't put all our recycling out each week.  We've reduced our waste so considerably that we only put our plastics out when the bag is full.  This reduces the likelihood of losing it(which we have recently).  The same with the green box.  We generally put the food waste bin out weekly.  It can go fortnightly with no problem but we would be unhappy if we had a fortnightly collection and had to go a month!I believe any major initiative increases rates. The really low rate boroughs in London hadn't had any communication from their Councils for years.  Populations move and change.I'm more interested in the reduction of residual waste.I would like to see those households who do not recycle called on - we can all see who the worst offenders are - so that they are given help to get started if they are unable to do this themselves or with the help of neighbours.  (Why not offer help to a newly moved in neighbour.  Why not SHARE your bags/bins until they get theirs or you help them to get them?)Follow the bin lorry and you will see who has all those black bags out which the cans roll out of and the bottles clank in.  Feel ashamed!

Philippa Bond ● 5595d